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2 hours ago, Gunslinger said:
With a/c the Avanti script in two places...front of car and the steering wheel center. The "S" logo...four...each sail panel, hood and between the back seat cushions. Without a/c add on more Avanti script on the vertical console panel.
1 hour ago, mfg said:And that's all she wrote!!!....Well done!
There is an "S" logo on the console with the Avanti script.
If the Avanti has the 813BKV all black interior option (available May, 1963) there will be an "S" logo on the interior door panels.
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46 minutes ago, Stormy said:
Silverstude, thanks. I guess that my R4042 not having a grill is proper. I do kind of like the looks of the grill, though. I have not figured out what the drip molding is, yet.
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13 hours ago, studegary said:
As of Oct. 1, 1962, what was the base dealer net price for an Avanti? Hint: The total advertised delivered price at that time was $4445.00.
$3067.20
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44 minutes ago, mfg said:
You'll understand if you read the "president's" message in the March '18 issue of TW....He has "officially" retired the wheel emblem....Foolish move. (in my opinion)
It would have been nice if you had explained in your first post that you read this in the Presidents message for those of us who haven't received the March issue yet.
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6 hours ago, mfg said:
It's hard for me to believe that the SDC is discontinuing the use of the famous (and really nice looking) Studebaker 'Wheel' emblem , and going with a more 'modern' look emblem for their club.
Hopefully, the AOAI powers that be wont ever decide that the 'AVANTI' script has to be retired! (I know that will never happen!
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If this is the Logo you are referring to, it is not new.
It replaced the Studebaker Wheel Logo in 2011.
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11 minutes ago, murph the surf said:
True or False: Sherwood Egbert and Raymond Loewy were BOTH members of the Avanti Owners Association??????
True, they were Honorary Members.
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4 hours ago, r1lark said:
What is special about Avanti R-5051?
This question is not related to equipment or options on the car.
One owner.
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22 hours ago, Regnalbob said:
The carpet was removed from the back of the rear seat in the trunk.
2 hours ago, mfg said:Close!....The carpeting was removed from the BACK WALL of the trunk compartment!
There is no mention of a wall in the description by Studebaker.
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The carpet was removed from the back of the rear seat in the trunk.
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10 hours ago, murph the surf said:
Thanks,Gunslinger-good idea about the speed shop.The one SI carries for the '64 is square/oblong,so a round will have to be sourced elsewhere.Just dawned on me that I should check the authenticity manual.
This is the one from SI, part number 1559789. This was added to 3&4 speeds after R4849.
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False.
Factory 3EE 60 Amp Hours
Factory 24 53 Amp Hours
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120 degrees.
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13 hours ago, Billy Shears said:
Anyone know a good replacement for the rubber seal at the base of the antenna. I don't see them available at Studebaker International, and I don't know where to get one.
Listed in the catalog on page 55 and on their web site.
800036 - $3.50
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9 hours ago, Stuart Suede said:
By the way, in case you're not aware R1s have 3/8" diameter tubing from the tank to a 3-way brass T-joint under the driver's door (following the frame), where the diameter changes to 5/16" diameter.
That is not correct.
All Avantis have 3/8" steel lines from the tank to the tee and from the tee to the fuel pump.
The steel lines from the pump to the carb are 5/16".
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On 12/23/2017 at 3:47 PM, mfg said:
False is CORRECT!....Now, can anyone cite an example of a Studebaker Avanti so modified?
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Balloons with Avanti by Studebaker printed on them and a small Avanti flag.
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1 hour ago, mfg said:
Interestingly, the code number assigned to 'Avanti Gold Poly' was the last exterior paint code number (P-6337) assigned to a Studebaker Avanti......The paint code number right before it (P-6336) was assigned to the late '64 Studebaker Avanti color 'Avanti Maroon'.
The code for Avanti Maroon is P6436.
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This has been discussed before and there is only one Avanti Gold for 1963 (P6333) and 1964 (P6433).
These numbers are shown on the ordering guides for 1963 and 1964 Avantis.
There is no mention of P6337 which would be a 1963 code and not 1964.
Also the code for Avanti Maroon is P6436, not P6336.
Read the last post.
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Studebaker offered only one 'Avanti Gold' exterior color for the '63-'64 Avantis.....True?
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Yes, and it was Avanti Gold Metallic # 7003-BD. Dupont Lucite. This applies to 1963. I am not sure if 1964 was the same.
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schuyler says True,.....Any other opinions on this question?
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Any other thoughts here?
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Apparently, Studebaker offered two 'Avanti Golds'....The PPG 'AVANTI GOLD' paint page from '63-'64 indicates this,....But I'm not sure of what the actual difference in the final color was!
1) 'AVANTI GOLD'...PPG mix code # 21530------------------- 2) 'AVANTI GOLD POLY'...PPG mix code # 22480 Different code numbers indicate slightly different colors...Answer to question...FALSE!
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No actually, it means two different people from PPG mixed two different formulas at two different times. The ORIGINAL R-M lacquer was one formulation.
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On 2/22/2015 at 6:11 PM, brad said:No actually, it means two different people from PPG mixed two different formulas at two different times. The ORIGINAL R-M lacquer was one formulation.
No brad, two different formulations could easily be produced from DIFFERENT paint companies, but two different formulations of the same code (color) would never occur from the same company....unless there was a specific reason!.....With some 'digging' we'd probably find that R-M also had two different 'Avanti Golds' during the production run of the Studebaker Avanti!
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Posted February 23, 2015 (edited)I can pull up codes for colors that have 12 different formulations for the same color. They are called variance chips. You can get different colors from the same mix if you spray it differently. I have probably painted over 2OO2 vehicles in my career. You don't just buy paint and spray it and expect it to match. It will not happen.
Many, many times these "variances" are totally different toners off the mixing bank, not just different amounts of the same toner.
Edited February 23, 2015 by bradmfg
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I understand that brad, as I have probably painted over 2001 vehicles in my career..But you're incorrect if you feel this second formula is a color 'variance'...You see, color 'variances' are slight changes to an original paint formula. (or mix) What we're speaking of here is an entirely different formula (or mix)...(Nice try though!)
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Posted February 23, 2015 (edited)On 2/22/2015 at 11:11 AM, mfg said:Apparently, Studebaker offered two 'Avanti Golds'....The PPG 'AVANTI GOLD' paint page from '63-'64 indicates this,....But I'm not sure of what the actual difference in the final color was!
1) 'AVANTI GOLD'...PPG mix code # 21530------------------- 2) 'AVANTI GOLD POLY'...PPG mix code # 22480 Different code numbers indicate slightly different colors...Answer to question...FALSE!
The formula called for from Studebaker is what the paint companies use.The paint was mixed according to this formula. Different code numbers are used for the type of paint -- lacquer, acrylic lacquer or enamel.
Only one Avanti Gold was available. The dealer did not have two color chips of Avanti Gold to show a customer.
If the dealer or body shop had to repaint or touch up how would they know which one to use if there were two formulas?
Unless you have a build sheet, window sticker, factory formula or a sticker from under the glove box to show something different than
P-6333 or P-6433 there is only one Avanti Gold.
Edited February 23, 2015 by Regnalbobmfg
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Actually Bob, both these numbers are for PPG (Ditzler at that time) 'Duracryl' acrylic lacquer paint.....Don't forget now...the second formula indicates 'Poly'.
'Avanti Turquoise' is another problematic color...Both PPG and Dupont only have one paint mix formula for this color....but their end results are 'Night and Day' believe me!
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UPDATE on this trivia question.......I phoned an auto body paint supply house yesterday that sells 'PPG'. I was told that the 'Avanti Gold' color itself would most probably be exactly the same from either mix....but 'Poly' would indicate the second formula (mix) may stand up to the elements (sun, rain) longer than the first one would. (More durable paint) This info is probably correct, as I do remember that factory paint jobs on original Studebaker Avantis painted 'Avanti Gold' seemed to 'wash out' (fade) rather quickly.
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13 hours ago, mfg said:
Due to clearance issues, the 'Due Cento' Avanti did not run with wheelcovers on its rear wheels when the rear 1/4 panel skirts were being used.......True?
False.
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1 hour ago, murph the surf said:
MFG-I found your post,and see that a relatively early production R2 ,63R-1252, is listed as an Avanti owned by Mr. Egbert.The red 1964 Avanti,R4130 ,is a much later car,and is generally known as the car that Mr. Egbert sold just before his passing-yet the R2 car described by Briggs as being offered to him by Mr. Egbert just before his passing was stated to be black in color.Adding to the confusion,there were actually TWO build sheets prepared by Studebaker for serial number R4130-one build sheet describes a red car,yet the other that was also listed as R4130,but "penciled in" as R4131 (over the typed R4130 number) sheets
is BLACK in color.(build sheets attached)..Just wondering what the story is!!!!
No confusion.
There is only one build sheet for R-4130. That is a typo for R-4131. Look closely at the build sheets and you will see they are different cars.
R-4131 was a sold car and shipped to San Francisco and R-4130 was sent to engineering.
Body numbers and engine numbers are different as well as the date they were built.
They both have South Bend built bodies.
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6 hours ago, alsancle said:
Thanks. I will buy that book.
Also, a forum member messaged me this link: http://www.studebaker-info.org/avanti_all.html which I had looked at but missed the numbers. The 643 R2 four speed cars is what I was after.
1963 R2 4 Speed 643
1964 R2 4 Speed 95
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1 hour ago, alsancle said:
Ok, so with some help from another forum I figured this out for myself. The museum will make a hand copy of the production order for you which is basically how the car was ordered. The ebay seller is I assume Nostalgic Motors which has copies of the build sheets, inspection forms and dealer invoices which are after the build documents. They will keep the originals and send you copies I'm guessing that anyone that owns a car should probably buy all 4 items.
No need to buy all four. The production order and build sheet are the same form.
Get the three from Nostalgic Motors and you will have everything you need.
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Available from the Studebaker Museum.
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They are both for the 1983 Avanti.
The first one is from the four page brochure that Gary refers to and can be found in John Hull's book and other sources.
The bottom of the second one states: Subject to Change