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  1. 16 hours ago, murph the surf said:

    Thank you.

    Just trying to see if I'm understanding this correctly...What I'm perceiving from John's reply was that the notion that Egbert had approached Loewy on March 9th, 1961 via telephone asking him to design a sports car that later became the Avanti has been "one of the biggest Avanti myths" - a fiction-but that it was actually Raymond Loewy who had made the initial approach through an inquiry to Egbert ,via Clarence Francis.   That, to me, would suggest that the "new sports car' was Raymond Loewy's idea, thus making Loewy the conceptual "father" of what became the Avanti. That's the impression I seem to be getting with this "new" information.............or is it simply a matter of Egbert's plans for designing a new sports car having been in the works PRIOR to the phone call on March 9th and discussed prior to that date, and this letter contained in Langworth's book is substantiation of that? .....just trying to see what I'm missing here, and exactly what the Feb 2nd letter to Egbert, other Loewy letters and the telegram to Clarence Francis are suggesting..

     

    More from Richard M. Langworth

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  2. 22 hours ago, John Hull said:

    Sorry guys Loewy contacted Egbert thru an inquiry to Clarance Francis Chairman of the Board Studebaker First

    One of the biggest Avanti myths ever  Egbert contacted Loewy first makes good press but not true

    Have letters and telegrams supporting this from Loewys files

    Please be careful with these types of questions etc. as very few people and I'm one knows what really happened and this exercise promotes an untruth

    Regards

     

    On 12/31/2024 at 7:10 PM, murph the surf said:

    What date did Sherwood Egbert make the telephone call to Raymond Loewy, asking him to come to South Bend to talk about designing the new sports car that subsequently became known as the Studebaker Avanti?

    The question is not about Egbert contacting Loewy first.

    First contact with Loewy was sometime in January, 1961. 

    Loewy sent a letter to Egbert dated February 2, 1961. In the letter to Egbert he included a few clippings and photographs that he thought Egbert would find interesting.

    On March 9, 1961 Egbert made a call to Loewy to talk about a new sports car.

  3. On 12/3/2024 at 1:10 AM, aardvark said:

    Hey, AG-R3... Thanks for the site.

    So I got curious about mine but found it unlisted as R-2238 serial number.... but I'm confused since the body number is 63R2-1383.

    What is the proper designator in my case? Also if it's not there how can I register it?

    Your Avanti is listed by the serial number.

    R2 R-2238 - (aardvark) - AOAI Forum - Nov 2023

     

  4. 5 hours ago, mfg said:

    I believe that Bob’s confusion stems from  the fact that both the #8 and the Due Cento were finished in ‘Avanti Red’.

    All I know is that if the Avanti that set the 29 International speed records at Bonneville in ‘62 was later converted into what became the Due Cento, It definitely had a Fawn/Black interior in ‘62.

    We musn’t ignore the fact that all these ‘EX’ Avantis had many changes made to them before being sold off!….Ed

    You are the one that is confused by the two Red Avantis.

    You don't seem to know the difference between EX-2942 and the #8 Avanti.

    In the video it is plain to see the production Avanti with the Black interior is the #8 Avanti (63R-1014) and not EX-2942 with the Fawn interior.

     

     

     

     

  5. 1 hour ago, mfg said:

    Gee, I don’t know about that Dwight.. I’ve seen more than one ‘Avanti Gold’ ‘63 Avanti with Fawn/Elk interior and ‘salt ‘n pepper carpeting… I actually owned one!

    As far as EX 2942 goes, If that Avanti indeed became the ‘ Due Cento’ in 1963, there is an issue… since  in the ‘Bonneville Record Breaker’ color film, the car is clearly shown with a Fawn/ Black interior!

    Avanti Red used Black carpet only with the Fawn & Elk interior.

    There is no issue, the Avanti with the Black interior is not the Due Cento.

    In the film there are 2 Red Avantis, the Due Cento and #8 (63R-1014).

    The Due Cento can be seen with the door open and the Fawn door panel. Later a front end shot with the windshield being cleaned shows the lack of a hood ornament and non stock headlights and parking lights. A later shot shows the large mirror mounted on the dash.

    The other Avanti is the #8 car with hood ornament, stock lights, antenna, production dash with mirror on windshield and Fawn & Black interior.

  6. On 12/3/2024 at 2:46 AM, Nelson said:

    I think #4

     

    4 hours ago, mfg said:

    Ha ha! You got it!…. There are a few glimpses of the interior of the Due Cento in the video “Bonneville Record Breaker”.

    Nelson is correct, the Due Cento was built with Fawn interior with black carpet.

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    The shots of the interior are from the #8 Avanti and not the Due Cento.

    The interior shot also shows a finished dash with windshield mounted mirror which the Due Cento did not have.

     

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  7. On 11/17/2024 at 8:49 PM, Brian_RPV said:

    My parents were the original owners - it was a 63 with round headlamps, an R1 in Avanti Gold with fawn interior, an automatic transmission, power steering, without air conditioning. It was purchased new in San Diego, California; I don’t have any old papers such as insurance policies, records, etc.  I’m looking for advice on how to use the known license plate (when new) to track down the VIN. Perhaps there is no way of obtaining records without being an DMV insider. Any insight is appreciated.  


     

    If your parents were members of the AOAI they could be listed in an early AOAI Roster.

    Could you post the last name?

    Speculation from the above info. 

    Don B & Kathleen Rearick

    63R-1685

     

  8. This is from the SDC Forum on 1-2010. Richard Bennett posted this as part of a reply about the R5.

      The R5 engine on the Due Cento was a basic R3 engine with a Bendix Fuel Injection unit that sprayed the fuel into/through the dual superchargers and then into a custom built sheet metal intake manifold which fed into the intake ports of the heads. It ran a Gilmore pulley and belt system to eliminate belt slippage, a special grind camshaft (several different grinders made camshafts for it but nobody remembers which one was used), and a Shiefer magneto ignition. It did not run a dry sump system. The blowers ran the blower fluid through a reserviour and cooler in order to cool the fluid which was needed as they were producing about 20 lbs. of boost.

  9. 21 minutes ago, Nelson said:

    I remember reading the same thing just don’t remember where. Maybe Andy’s book?

    This is from an article by Richard Bennett.

    Bill Dredge was present at the Granatelli shop when the testing was done on the dyno and said that the engine, in his words, produced a whopping 638 HP. Quite an accomplishment for 1963!Duect3ds.jpg

    Driven by Joe and Andy Granatelli, the Due Cento reached speeds well over 200 mph according to the tach, but was not getting traction due to the wet salt and the best official run was 196.58 mph.

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