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  1. 3 hours ago, mfg said:

    The tag fastened to the distributor base should read #1557347, which is the Stude part number for an R2 distributor.......The difference between an Avanti  R1 and  R2 distributor lies in their respective advance curves.

    There is no Studebaker part number on the tag, only the Prestolite model number.

    IBS-4012A     R2

    IBS-4012        R1

  2. 7 hours ago, ntenna said:

    Is there any decode page available for sorting out the codes? Most of mine are easy, but line two "14 763   ELV" remains a mystery. Interior code, perhaps?

     

    Thanks for any info, 

     

    John H.

    14 is the item number.

    763   Deluxe Trim, ( plain doors and perforated seat inserts).

    ELV  Elk vinyl.

  3. On 7/9/2020 at 6:22 PM, mfg said:

    As of September 27, 1963 , the list price suggested by Studebaker for their new 1964 Avanti (with standard equipment) was........?.......

    1) $ 4,090...........2) $ 4,285..........3) $ 4,445.....or.....4) $ 4,575

    List price                             $ 4090.00

    E.O.H.                                   $  325.00     Federal excise tax, factory overhead and handling.

    Retail Prep Charge             $    30.00

    Total Advertised

    Delivered Price                   $ 4445.00

     

  4. 7 hours ago, mfg said:

    What Studebaker's original intended use of Rags63 R3 engine was has to one of the most interesting Stude/Avanti related questions to come along in a long time!:o

    The Studebaker factory serial number, R3SM305, stamped on the block must indicate, in my humble opinion, that Studebaker had planned to build a car around this engine.....

    But what was that car to be??....A TENTH 'production' R3 Avanti?.....A SECOND 'production' R3 powered 'Lark type'?....Or maybe it would have been a 'production line' R3 powered Gran Turismo Hawk? (What a car THAT would have been!!)

    Yes, the question of the original intended use of this rare R3 engine I find to be VERY INTERESTING!.....Ed:)

    That engine would have been used in an Avanti.

    An R3 used in a Lark or Hawk would have a JTR3S prefix.

     

    6 hours ago, mfg said:

    Hmmm....my opinion on your thoughts (for what it's worth) is this.......I doubt there would be a factory serial number on this R3 block if were built as a warranty engine.....We know that Studebaker V8 replacement engines either had a 'cloverleaf' on the serial pad, or nothing there at all.

    I also do not believe there would be a factory serial number stamped on it if it originally was , as you say, an "over the counter" engine....There would however be the Paxton stamped "B" number.

    I'm quite sure that's the case ("B" number only) with George Krem's R3 engine, which he purchased from Studebaker for his 'Plain Brown Wrapper' years ago.:)

     

    George Krem's R3 has a Studebaker factory engine number, R3SK312.

    Paxton engine number, B-44.

  5. On 6/28/2020 at 10:19 PM, studegary said:

    No, I am saying that this design was meant to be a new line of Studebaker passenger cars, not part of an Avanti line.

     

    On 6/26/2020 at 4:21 PM, mfg said:

    No Gary, your assertion concerning the prototype Studebaker Avanti four door is incorrect:(....That prototype, (the one with the quad headlamps), was, (if placed in production) destined to be an 'AVANTI'!:)

    The following is from an interview John Hora had with Tom Kellogg and published in the Avanti Newsletter in 1969.

     

     

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  6. 21 hours ago, mfg said:

    A seventeen character 'VIN' number was first used on Avanti automobiles in model year.......?........

    1) 1978........2) 1979......3) 1980.....or......4) 1981

     

    21 hours ago, arkus said:

    1981

     

    18 hours ago, mfg said:

    Sorry arkus....1981 is not correct.:(

    Any other thoughts on this one?

    arkus is correct.

    The 17 character vin became mandatory starting with the 1981 model year.

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    On 5/23/2020 at 9:54 AM, mfg said:

    The four door body is a Mike Kelly prototype for the eventual 1990 four door Avanti Sedan.....The 'round light' body is (I think) an early Studebaker Avanti body which was used for development purposes.

    The four door is the Studebaker prototype for the 1965  passenger car.

     

     

  8. 27 minutes ago, mfg said:

    Well said Gunslinger....and you and Gary are possibly right...however, my source indicates the initial base price of the 1965 Avanti ll's was set at $6700.00.

    So, if that's correct, the answer would be........#2!:o

    Gary and Gunslinger are correct.

    The base price was $7200.00.

    The following is from a press release from Avanti Motors dated August 2, 1965.

     

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    16 hours ago, mfg said:

    And THREE is CORRECT!:).........However, NOT because of that 'AMT AVANTI' model........;)     (Nice try though!)

     

    6 hours ago, studegary said:

    OK, what three are you counting?

    Gary, here is number three.

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  10. 19 hours ago, Gunslinger said:

    I will take a SWAG and say false.  I would think the different fan would be part of the R3 HiPo package.

    Bruce,

    You may be correct.

    Studebaker Sales Letter #161 dated 6-10-63 shows the fan included and not an option.

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  11. 5 hours ago, scottgriggs said:

    Is there a photo of what that looked like?

     

    39 minutes ago, mfg said:

    If you can come up with a copy of 'Avanti Magazine'  #92, you'll find a great story about Ron Hall's engine, along with many photos. (including photos of the unique main bearing supports)

    Winter - Spring Issue, 1992  # 79

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  12. On 1/21/2020 at 7:12 PM, mfg said:

    Although it's probably not a good idea to make modifications to any of the nine "production line" R3 equipped Studebaker Avantis, one major modification was made to production R3 Avanti #8.

    What was that modification?

    Power steering was added.

    Dual master cylinder was also added.

  13. On 1/14/2020 at 11:37 PM, studegary said:

    It is hard to say that Loewy did not copy anybody, when the article states: "...the unmistakable chromed 'V' that Loewy had adapted from the trunk lid of the '57 Cadillac!"

     

    On 1/15/2020 at 5:46 PM, mfg said:

    Nope, you're wrong about that Gary!:(............Try to understand, Mr. Loewy acquired a Cadillac trim piece, available to anyone at the time, and cleverly adapted it to the front nose panel of his Studebaker Avanti............This gave the front of R3422 a distinctive, 'very different' look.:o

    If Mr. Loewy desired to COPY what Cadillac did, he would have installed the 'V' on his Avanti's deck lid.......and That's That!;)

    Did Raymond Loewy cleverly adapt or copy from Cadillac?

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  14. On 11/27/2019 at 7:12 PM, BillyBob said:

    When was the first AOAI Convention held and how many have been held since?

    ...curious.

    If you mean Car Show, the first AOAI National Meet was held in 1968. I don't know the location.

    The second National Meet was held in August, 1970 at South Bend.

    Not sure how many have been held since.

     

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