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2 hours ago, regnalbob said:
Part of the deviation.
Without the production order you have no proof it was built without an engine.
An Avanti came with an R1 and 3 speed manual as standard equipment. Since this was a special order Avanti the R1 and 3 speed would have been deleted and not a Powershift.
The 19 indicates this was built with a Powershift.
Until a production order or some other documentation is found there is no proof that R-4795 was built without an engine or transmission.
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10 minutes ago, mfg said:Without the production order you have no proof it was built without an engine.
And conversly, you have no proof it was built WITH an engine!
So, until the production order turns up, (which it probably won't), this has become a moot point.....and that's that! đ
If you are going to quote me make sure you post all of it.
I made an effort to find out if it was or wasn't.
Thats more than you are capable of doing!đ
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9 minutes ago, mfg said:
That does not make sense Bob...what's the deviation?
What it PROBABLY means is 'delete Powershift transmission'.... just as they deleted the engine in R4795 đ
Part of the deviation.
Without the production order you have no proof it was built without an engine.
An Avanti came with an R1 and 3 speed manual as standard equipment. Since this was a special order Avanti the R1 and 3 speed would have been deleted and not a Powershift.
The 19 indicates this was built with a Powershift.
Until a production order or some other documentation is found there is no proof that R-4795 was built without an engine or transmission.
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59 minutes ago, mfg said:
Why would a Powershift transmission require a "production change"?
It doesn't. Item code 19 indicates it was built with a Powershift.
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On 3/5/2023 at 8:39 PM, mfg said:
You gents need to consider what the 99-19 deviation tag may have indicated.
Studebaker used item code 99 on the production order to list any changes.
Item code 19 is for Automatic Floor Shift.
A few examples of the use of 99.
63R-1001Â Â Â Install antenna.
63R-1025Â Â Install antenna.
63R-1014Â Â Â Install antenna, send to engineering, tag Granatelli.
  R-5373  Tag Granatelli.
  R-4513  Deviation Permit 5550 Captive Air tires.
  R-4130
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15 hours ago, Nelson said:
I donât see or know of any documentation saying the car was ordered less engine. Only that the PO has not been located.
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4 hours ago, Nelson said:I definitely respect Johnâs research but I still donât see how he can say âwe know 4795 was delivered with no engine or transmissionâ. Unless Iâm missing something or something was unintentionally left out of the article, I wouldnât go on record with that statement. Again, I respect John so maybe Iâm missing something.
We must be the only ones who do not believe it was built with no engine or transmission.
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37 minutes ago, Nelson said:
But, if Joe actually purchased out of SB stock he would have paid plenty for the car. If he bought it out of Paxtonâs inventory it could very well have been another $500 Avanti.
This Avanti was not bought out of inventory, it was a special order.
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18 hours ago, Nelson said:
Well, the insinuation is that Joe ordered a Avanti with no engine in order to install a competitors engine. That would seem odd to me. I donât think that actually happened that way as I think the Stude engine was removed and a Cadillac installed after Stude made the announcement it was discontinuing production in SB. Studebaker was still Joeâs employer, so it appears, to my way of thinking, as odd that he would install the Cadillac in a nearly new Studebaker.Â
I agree.
R-4795 was built in June, 1963 and the Cadillac 429 was not available yet. Production of the 429 started with the 1964 model year.
Some early 1964 Cadillacs still had the 390.
In June, 1963 the Granatellis were still getting the R3 and R4 engines ready for production and possibly making plans for Bonneville.
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23 hours ago, Nelson said:
Bob. I remember that photo. I think it was in an old AOA publication.
The photo was included with the original article in Avanti Newsletter #8, Winter 1966.
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1966 photo.
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I have an NOS panel that you can have for free if you are able to pick it up near Pittsburgh,PA.
Bob Langer
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Here is a picture of B-22 formerly owned by Bill Burke installed in R-5481 in May, 1975.
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9 Avantis.
5 stickers each.
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20 hours ago, Gunslinger said:
Studebaker sent a directive to dealers that any unsold new â63 Avantis were to be titled as 1964 models when sold. Â That might be one reason the â63â prefix of the serial number was dropped. Â Thatâs why there are many Avantis titled as a 1964 when theyâre actually a â63.
The following is what Studebaker included in the 1964 registration and licensing data sent to dealers.
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The Avanti nameplate on the nose panel.
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False, Black.
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then a big credit with a final net price of $500.00
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2 hours ago, Rick Allen said:
Yes, I know how it is I'm in a similar situation; is/was your friend's car titled as a '63 or '64; seems with that production # is would be a '63?,,,
Production Avanti serial numbers.
1963Â Â Â 63R-1001 through R-4834
1964Â Â Â Â Â R-4835 through R-5643
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2 hours ago, Nelson said:
You mean maroon not red?
I thought 5640 was gold. Just simply remembering an ad for it thirty years ago but that was a long time ago and my memory isnât always accurate anymore.I have an undated early AOAI Roster listing it as Gold.
The 1976 AOAI Roster has it listed as Red.
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1 hour ago, mfg said:
Bob that's 63R1025 đ
I tried to provide some information that I thought would be of interest to forum members.
For some reason you think it is necessary to take issue with the serial number.
Before you criticise someone make sure you are correct.
Actually you are wrong.
The correct number is 63R-1025.
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There were two A Engines listed on the R-3 Registry in 2012..
A-5, which was installed in R-3923 used by a Paxton manager.
Later it may have been installed in R-5013.
A-10, owned by Jon Myer.
RS-1021 used in R-1025 did not have a Paxton number.
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3 hours ago, mfg said:
Pretty sure Nelson...Not sure of its 'EX' number...however, it was eventually sold off in '64 after being re-serialed R5653.
R-5653 was prototype EX-2945.
Originally built as an R-1 with engine number EX-2123.
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While a PCV was not standard on R3s and R4s it was offered as an option for $12.00. ( dealer cost: $9.32 ).
Mandatory in California.
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Ground strap on the antenna.
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9 hours ago, wdaly said:
3) Valiant (?)
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8 hours ago, mfg said:Nope, it wasn't the Valiant!
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Cadillac/Avanti!
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Yes, this is all he has since he was banned from the SDC Forum.