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On 3/22/2022 at 2:52 AM, 64studeavanti said:
In 64 R1/R2, the "standard" axle ratio was 3.54. Does any know if the same is true for R3s?
From the 1964 Avanti Order Guide.
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1 hour ago, Dwight FitzSimons said:
False. There is a picture or two of one of the prototypes showing a two-tone steering wheel.
--Dwight
Here is one of the pictures Dwight mentioned.
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The fitting for the breather tube hose was located on the side of the filter near the valve cover.
At least one prototype had no fitting for the breather tube hose.
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On 3/11/2022 at 5:01 PM, mfg said:
CLUE.........Sure hope nothing comes loose!
44 minutes ago, mfg said:Sorry, "lock washer" is INCORRECT!
.....(Not specific enough)
Maybe this will be specific enough for you.
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A lock washer was installed with the crank arm retaining nut.
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2 hours ago, mfg said:
Note painted lifter valley cover on this 1964 Avanti R1 engine......One of the many changes between 1963 (chrome plated cover) and later production '64 model Studebaker Avantis.
Not all 1963 Avantis had chrome covers.
They were discontinued in March or April of 1963.
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Yes, I do know the history for the first 24 months and the supercharger was not rebuilt
1 hour ago, mfg said:Wondering how for certain you'd know that
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I really don't think it is necessary for me to explain to you how I know the supercharger was not rebuilt.
A very simple process.
You should be able to figure it out.
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14 minutes ago, Gunslinger said:
Didn’t an AOAI member…a minister in CA…buy a Trans Am blasted Avanti convertible from Alice Cooper some years ago?
Dec 26, 2006 2003 AZ-263451 (Unique) Jim W. Baize Ferrari Tour DeFrance blue exterior paint with Sandstone all leather interior and blue lettering highlights. Convertible with a tan top and the classic 350 cu in, 300 hp GM powertrain. Dash is burlwood and beautiful. As stylish as my other four Avantis, but more contemporary in looks. A fun, fast, head-turner! Formerly owned by Alice Cooper, with provenance.
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27 minutes ago, mfg said:
Hello Bob, if you've owned your 1963 Avanti (63R2809) for 57 years, that means you purchased it in 1965, and you have no way of knowing if your Avanti had supercharger issues during its first 24 months of life...........
As far as being present when your late brother's 1964 Avanti was purchased....I do not doubt you were there, but there are dedicated Studebaker fans out there that 'remember' they saw '56 Golden Hawks with "factory" 374 CI dual four barrel Packard engines too!....(Pictures would be helpful though)
Yes, I do know the history for the first 24 months and the supercharger was not rebuilt.
Yes, my Brother's Avanti did have an orange supercharger from the factory.
Yes, not all superchargers were black from the factory.
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4 hours ago, mfg said:
Sorry no,...supercharged Studebaker Avantis left the factory with 'black' Paxton superchargers.....Check the photos of the authentic restoration of the first production Avanti, 63R1001 for confirmation of this point.
Sorry, not all superchargers were painted black.
My Avanti (2809) is painted orange from the factory. I have owned it for 57 years and the supercharger was never rebuilt.
My late brother's (5461) was painted orange. I was present when it was delivered to the family dealership.
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48 minutes ago, mfg said:
That's quite true...however, industry torque converter rebuilders refer to ALL Stude V8 converters as "S4" models...When one is sent out for a rebuild, it's important the correct stator is used, as engine stall speed is a function of engine torque and the stator inside the converter.....The rest of the torque converter is the same whether it had an "R" engine in front of it or a 259.
I guess not all industry torque converter rebuilders refer to ALL Stude V8 converters as S4.
If they are all marked S4 there is no way to know what the stall speed is.
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On 2/20/2022 at 12:23 PM, mfg said:
Industry torque converter rebuilders refer to Studebaker V8 converters (whether 'R' series or from a 259) as ....?.... converters.
1) RH.......2) 8V.....3) TS.....or.....4) S4
The R series engines do not use the standard converter used in the 259.
They use a converter with a higher stall speed, 2400 rpm versus 1800 rpm in the 259.
These converters are marked HR.
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From 1966.
From 1971.
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13 hours ago, brad said:
You are all missing the two REAR pieces on either side of the lock panel. That makes 13
There are no separate pieces on either side of the lock panel.
That carpet is part of the left and right floor carpet.
11 pieces.
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Avantis before 4309 would have 11 pieces of carpet in the trunk.
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Adjusted the transmission shift points.
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33 minutes ago, regnalbob said:
If the Studebaker Sales Letter is wrong and the R3 was available before August 1, 1963 can you explain why no 1963 Studebakers or Avantis were built with the R3 engine?
31 minutes ago, mfg said:Elementary my dear Watson....None were ordered.
Minutes of March 11, 1963 meeting of Studebaker department heads.
R-3 Engine
Mr. Detzler inquired as to when the R-3 engine would be available. He said Sales has a few orders and would like an indication of delivery dates.
Mr. Hardig reported that Mr. Granatelli expects to finish one engine for Mr. Egbert by the end of March. Another six are in production and it is expected that basic production delivery of these engines will be scheduled for the latter part of April. Costs are being developed, and before selling prices are set, top management will determine the amount which the Corporation will absorb.
Minutes of April 22, 1963 meeting of Studebaker department heads.
R3 Engine Pricing
Mr. Detzler wanted to know what the status of this is and when we are going to get the prices. We don’t have many orders for these engines, but they are old and the customers are crying for them. Dr. Lamberti indicated that we would be happy if we didn’t sell one engine. Right now, Mr. Granatelli says it will be in June sometime. He has given Mr. Egbert the date of June 20. He’s running his Novis in the 500. It won’t take him very long after the end of May because he has a lot of stuff in process, and he has almost enough material for the whole 100 engines. He has one engine ready that he will put into a car we sent out there.
Pricing-wise, our suggestion is that we should cover manufacturing costs. Mr. Egbert has all the papers for the pricing for all the ranges, along with the comments of Sales and PR. Their price suggestions vary all the way from $500 to $1,000. Sales recommended $500-$600, and Messrs. Dredge and Granatelli said we could live with about $900. The price includes the whole kit. Our manufacturing costs run about $1,400. Dr. Lamberti suggested that Mr. Rickus write a memo to Mr. Egbert summarizing these points, showing competition prices, PR opinion, manufacturing costs, etc.
Mr. Dredge strongly recommends that we have some engines pretty soon. We talked ourselves out of one blowoff, but he doesn’t think we can talk ourselves out of two.
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17 hours ago, mfg said:
Another document confirming that the Avanti R3 engine was made available by Studebaker Corp. as optional equipment for 1963 is a letter from R. C. Atkinson of Studebaker's General Service Dept. to Bob Palma and George Krem.....A portion of this letter states...." At the present time, the R3 engine has been released for installation in Studebaker's Avanti "
This document is dated... JANUARY 8TH, 1963.....far predating the JUNE 10TH, 1963 document you hung your hat on...
If the Studebaker Sales Letter is wrong and the R3 was available before August 1, 1963 can you explain why no 1963 Studebakers or Avantis were built with the R3 engine?
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17 hours ago, 64studeavanti said:
R3S M506 does not follow the engine numbering scheme. That would make it an engine assembled in November 1965. It that a typo?
I assume that R3S 1496 follows the earlier numbering scheme (before August 63).
Just a typo.
From the R3 Engine Registry.
B46 R3S M306 R-5642
B43 R3S M306 R-5643
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11 hours ago, mfg said:
Sorry you feel that way, however, in the meantime think about this........... "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts".......Wooden
Have a nice day!
I never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
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3 hours ago, mfg said:
Sorry, but you are wrong again Regnalbob! (WOW, you really haven't been doing very well with these trivia questions lately
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2 hours ago, mfg said:I always get a chuckle when Regnalbob tries to re-create history
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2 hours ago, mfg said:I do give Regnalbob credit for his tenacity, and also that he didn't feel it necessary to "block out" portions of his R3 document, as he did the Studebaker document he posted as a rebuttal in the "Avanti Wires" trivia question.
You never seem to be at a loss for petty and inane comments.
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12 minutes ago, r1lark said:
Is there a Studebaker Sales Letter that announces this to the Dealers? It's one thing to tell the AMA that the R3 will be an option (to make 'back door' hand-built engines legal for various forms of racing}. But if no official Studebaker notification was provided to the Dealers informing them of the option, cost, ordering info, etc how could that be a true option? I don't know, maybe more knowledgeable folks can carry on this debate.
Here is the letter.
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16 minutes ago, mfg said:
Sorry, but you are wrong again Regnalbob! (WOW, you really haven't been doing very well with these trivia questions lately
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As explained by George Krem on PG 18 of the June, 2019 TURNING WHEELS, the AMA specification sheet dated July 23, 1962 listed the R3 engine as a 1963 Studebaker option!
To be clear, none were built on the assembly line, however, it indeed WAS a 1963 option.
Sorry, the answer is false.
The Studebaker Confidential Price List for 1963 does not list the R3 as an option for any model 1963 Studebaker.
Studebaker takes precedent over the AMA and you.
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1 hour ago, r1lark said:
Since I don't believe the R3 was available at the start of 1963 production, I'll say FALSE.
55 minutes ago, mfg said:Sorry Paul, it was available from the get-go!
....Answer...TRUE!
Paul is correct, check your facts.
Overweight Avanti!
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The 1964 registration data from Studebaker shows the 4 speed weighs 5 lbs less than the 3 speed.