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  1. 15 hours ago, Nelson said:

    I don’t see or know of any documentation saying the car was ordered less engine. Only that the PO has not been located.

     

    4 hours ago, Nelson said:

    I definitely respect John’s research but I still don’t see how he can say “we know 4795 was delivered with no engine or transmission”. Unless I’m missing something or something was unintentionally left out of the article, I wouldn’t go on record with that statement. Again, I respect John so maybe I’m missing something.

    We must be the only ones who do not believe it was built with no engine or transmission.

  2. 37 minutes ago, Nelson said:

    But, if Joe actually purchased out of SB stock he would have paid plenty for the car. If he bought it out of Paxton’s inventory it could very well have been another $500 Avanti.

    This Avanti was not bought out of inventory, it was a special order.

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  3. 18 hours ago, Nelson said:

    Well, the insinuation is that Joe ordered a Avanti with no engine in order to install a competitors engine. That would seem odd to me. I don’t think that actually happened that way as I think the Stude engine was removed and a Cadillac installed after Stude made the announcement it was discontinuing production in SB. Studebaker was still Joe’s employer, so it appears, to my way of thinking, as odd that he would install the Cadillac in a nearly new Studebaker. 

    I agree.

    R-4795 was built in June, 1963 and the Cadillac 429 was not available yet. Production of the 429 started with the 1964 model year.

    Some early 1964 Cadillacs still had the 390.

    In June, 1963 the Granatellis were still getting the R3 and R4 engines ready for production and possibly making plans for Bonneville.

     

     

  4. 20 hours ago, Gunslinger said:

    Studebaker sent a directive to dealers that any unsold new ‘63 Avantis were to be titled as 1964 models when sold.  That might be one reason the “63” prefix of the serial number was dropped.  That’s why there are many Avantis titled as a 1964 when they’re actually a ‘63.

    The following is what Studebaker included in the 1964 registration and licensing data sent to dealers.

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  5. 2 hours ago, Rick Allen said:

    Yes, I know how it is I'm in  a similar situation; is/was your friend's car titled as a '63 or '64; seems with that production # is would be a '63?,,,

    Production Avanti serial numbers.

    1963     63R-1001 through R-4834

    1964          R-4835 through R-5643

  6. 2 hours ago, Nelson said:

    You mean maroon not red?
    I thought 5640 was gold. Just simply remembering an ad for it thirty years ago but that was a long time ago and my memory isn’t always accurate anymore.

    I have an undated early AOAI Roster listing it as Gold.

    The 1976 AOAI Roster has it listed as Red.

  7. 3 hours ago, mfg said:

    Pretty sure Nelson...Not sure of its 'EX' number...however, it was  eventually sold off in '64 after being re-serialed R5653.

    R-5653 was prototype EX-2945.

    Originally built as an R-1 with engine number EX-2123.

  8. The Avanti like other Studebaker models had disposable thin plastic covers installed at the factory to protect the seats.

    These were not the thick clear plastic covers used for furniture.

    The covers were not removed until we delivered the car to the customer or the car was used for showroom display.

  9. 16 hours ago, r1lark said:

    I'm not convinced that the fan shroud was part of the Lark High Performance Package. I'll try to dig out the list of the package components.

    Paul,

    At least one car may have had the shroud as part of the package.

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  10. 4 hours ago, mfg said:

    The family quite often referred to 'Herman'  as 'Ray'.....

    I'm a bit surprised a knowledgeable fellow like yourself didn't know that bobby!

     

    Is this all you have?

    I thought you would have a definitive answer.

     

     

  11. On 12/31/2022 at 10:10 PM, mfg said:

    What was the important event in the historic story of the Studebaker Avanti that occurred on 4/25/62?

     

    4 minutes ago, mfg said:

    Not sure, but I suppose they could  have snuck an R3 Avanti out there to see just what it could do!

    (pre speed runs?)

    Nothing happened on that date.

    At the time only two prototype Avantis were built, one was in New York for the auto show and the second was in South Bend for the Shareholders Meeting for the unveiling on April 26, 1962.

    There were no R-3s available at that time.

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