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  1. 2 hours ago, regnalbob said:

    Part of the deviation.

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    Without the production order you have no proof it was built without an engine.

    An Avanti came with an R1 and 3 speed manual as standard equipment. Since this was a special order Avanti the R1 and 3 speed would have been deleted and not a Powershift.

    The 19 indicates this was built with a Powershift.

    Until a production order or some other documentation is found there is no proof that R-4795 was built without an engine or transmission.

     

     

    10 minutes ago, mfg said:

    Without the production order you have no proof it was built without an engine.

    And conversly, you have no proof it was built WITH an engine!

    So, until the production order turns up, (which it probably won't), this has become a moot point.....and that's that! 😁

    If you are going to quote me make sure you post all of it.

    I made an effort to find out if it was or wasn't.

    Thats more than you are capable of doing!😁

     

  2. 9 minutes ago, mfg said:

    That does not make sense Bob...what's the deviation?

    What it PROBABLY means is 'delete Powershift  transmission'.... just as they deleted the engine in R4795 🙂

    Part of the deviation.

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    Without the production order you have no proof it was built without an engine.

    An Avanti came with an R1 and 3 speed manual as standard equipment. Since this was a special order Avanti the R1 and 3 speed would have been deleted and not a Powershift.

    The 19 indicates this was built with a Powershift.

    Until a production order or some other documentation is found there is no proof that R-4795 was built without an engine or transmission.

     

  3. On 3/5/2023 at 8:39 PM, mfg said:

    You gents need to consider what the 99-19 deviation tag may have indicated.

    Studebaker used item code 99 on the production order to list any changes.

    Item code 19 is for Automatic Floor Shift.

    A few examples of the use of 99.

    63R-1001     Install antenna.

    63R-1025    Install antenna.

    63R-1014     Install antenna, send to engineering, tag Granatelli.

        R-5373    Tag Granatelli.

        R-4513    Deviation Permit  5550  Captive Air tires.

        R-4130

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  4. 15 hours ago, Nelson said:

    I don’t see or know of any documentation saying the car was ordered less engine. Only that the PO has not been located.

     

    4 hours ago, Nelson said:

    I definitely respect John’s research but I still don’t see how he can say “we know 4795 was delivered with no engine or transmission”. Unless I’m missing something or something was unintentionally left out of the article, I wouldn’t go on record with that statement. Again, I respect John so maybe I’m missing something.

    We must be the only ones who do not believe it was built with no engine or transmission.

  5. 37 minutes ago, Nelson said:

    But, if Joe actually purchased out of SB stock he would have paid plenty for the car. If he bought it out of Paxton’s inventory it could very well have been another $500 Avanti.

    This Avanti was not bought out of inventory, it was a special order.

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  6. 18 hours ago, Nelson said:

    Well, the insinuation is that Joe ordered a Avanti with no engine in order to install a competitors engine. That would seem odd to me. I don’t think that actually happened that way as I think the Stude engine was removed and a Cadillac installed after Stude made the announcement it was discontinuing production in SB. Studebaker was still Joe’s employer, so it appears, to my way of thinking, as odd that he would install the Cadillac in a nearly new Studebaker. 

    I agree.

    R-4795 was built in June, 1963 and the Cadillac 429 was not available yet. Production of the 429 started with the 1964 model year.

    Some early 1964 Cadillacs still had the 390.

    In June, 1963 the Granatellis were still getting the R3 and R4 engines ready for production and possibly making plans for Bonneville.

     

     

  7. 20 hours ago, Gunslinger said:

    Studebaker sent a directive to dealers that any unsold new ‘63 Avantis were to be titled as 1964 models when sold.  That might be one reason the “63” prefix of the serial number was dropped.  That’s why there are many Avantis titled as a 1964 when they’re actually a ‘63.

    The following is what Studebaker included in the 1964 registration and licensing data sent to dealers.

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  8. 2 hours ago, Rick Allen said:

    Yes, I know how it is I'm in  a similar situation; is/was your friend's car titled as a '63 or '64; seems with that production # is would be a '63?,,,

    Production Avanti serial numbers.

    1963     63R-1001 through R-4834

    1964          R-4835 through R-5643

  9. 2 hours ago, Nelson said:

    You mean maroon not red?
    I thought 5640 was gold. Just simply remembering an ad for it thirty years ago but that was a long time ago and my memory isn’t always accurate anymore.

    I have an undated early AOAI Roster listing it as Gold.

    The 1976 AOAI Roster has it listed as Red.

  10. 3 hours ago, mfg said:

    Pretty sure Nelson...Not sure of its 'EX' number...however, it was  eventually sold off in '64 after being re-serialed R5653.

    R-5653 was prototype EX-2945.

    Originally built as an R-1 with engine number EX-2123.

  11. The Avanti like other Studebaker models had disposable thin plastic covers installed at the factory to protect the seats.

    These were not the thick clear plastic covers used for furniture.

    The covers were not removed until we delivered the car to the customer or the car was used for showroom display.

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