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I did notice that one of the side markers on the driver's side fender, the lens was broken. I have not been able to find it on any of the Avanti part sites. So any help there would be appreciated also.
Welcome to the cult. I own a 1971, too, which I bought a year or two before your father got his.
I'd second Gunslinger's advice on acquiring the manuals, and add that if you didn't also get
a collection of AOAI magazines from your Dad, consider joining them... they offer CD's
containing copies of most of their past issues.
I can tell you the tear-drop side markers came from a late 60's Datsun, but memory
fails me as to exact years or models.
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Put it back and now no electrical. Also, the rubber grommets - do they go between the wire and the nut?
Thanks for any help.
No, I can't think of a reason to ever use rubber grommets on studs holding electrical wires.
If you have a shop manual, Body section page 24 says install the two gauges (water temp and ammeter)
through the holes in the instrument panel. Install the instrument case over the retaining studs
and install the insulating grommets and retaining nuts on those studs.
Then connect the electrical wires to the gauges and reinstall the bulb&socket assembly in the
instrument case.
The wiring guide shows a 12 gauge black wire to the positive terminal of the ammeter, and a
12gauge red wire (from the starter solenoid switch) to the negative terminal on the ammeter.
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here's a picture of the drum marked 'canada' in need to replace
(couldn't send the photo...can we post photos here?) it was a jpeg 84kb
The drum replacement part is something I'd like to know myself, so if you get that information, please post it.
I checked my stash of part cross-references, and I tried some Google searches but didn't have much luck.
I don't know if there were differences between years of the early Avanti's, either.
My only suggestion would be to try a couple of vendors (Nostalgic would be your best bet) or find
a local brake wholesaler and take a drum to them for matching. Beyond that, replacement drum systems
(eg, you might have to replace more than just the drum) for the Dana 44 axle may be available at sources
like this:
http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/ProductsRE.aspx?id=1529
I did find a listing for a 1970 Avanti that gives a Budd #87198 number for the entire rear end assembly, including drums and internal brake parts, which is probably the way Avanti Motors ordered them, but that number
might possibly be useful to a brake wholesaler.
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http://www.studebaker-info.org/avdb/avantirqb/72QB1879/72QB1879.html
Welcome to the brotherhood.
The Avanti II is raised in the front end from where the original Stude Avanti's sat, by using shims at the forward body mounts and filling in the front wheel arches, so it does not have the "rake" of a Stude. Shocks have nothing to do with the way the car sits (unless you use air shocks with on-board compressors, but that's a whole 'nuther story), the rear springs should be at least arched up a little, or level, but not negatively arched (ends not lower than the center).
Standard spark plug would probably be an AC R44T with .035" gap, or an AC 41-821 platinum, same gap.
It appears your car may have an older style points distributor, hard to tell from the photos, so if you are considering upgrades, a later Chevy HEI distributor ('73 onward?) and 8mm wires would be a plus for reliability, although Chevy V8's in general are very reliable. Easy bolt-in replacement, it only requires replacing the pink resistor wire that currently goes to the coil (from the ignition switch) with a normal wire straight to the distributor cap, and then finding the correct snap-in connectors (for that wire and the tachometer wire) to use with the HEI distributor cap. Spark plug wires are the hardest part, as they require newer brackets. If the current setup is running fine, there's no hurry to make this conversion.
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...while the engine is idling, remove the big vacuum hose off the booster...
Gunslinger, I think you mean remove it and plug the removed end of the hose, don't you?
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Basically, what I'm saying is, if you're happy with how well your engine is running now, why change anything? If you have a specific problem you need to address, that's one thing.
I agree, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
That being said, IMHO the easiest way to switch is to install a Chevy HEI distributor and 8mm spark plug wires, and replace the resistor wire (the feed wire that currently goes to the plus side of the coil) with a normal wire. It's possible there could be firewall interference issues, but I doubt it since Avanti II's were factory-equipped with HEI distributors (starting around 1973 or 1975?).
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John, I'd like to take the headlight lens gaskets. I'll PM you
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I found a few photos of my old '66 Avanti engine compartment, but taken in 1977 after I had changed the engine,
intake, carb, and upgraded to an HEI distributor.
I attached a photo that's been cropped and edited to try to better show the a/c compressor bracket. Note the rear support to the top of the York a/c compressor on this '66 is different than my '71; I didn't recall that.
IIRC, the main bracket for the compressor is a heavy-duty (probably 1/4" thick) wide L-shaped bracket that bolts to the block and to a bracket on the right exhaust manifold (which also holds the alternator pivot), and it spans/bolts to the underside of the compressor. Note also that a small bracket bolted to the compressor is the anchor for the alternator belt adjustment arm, and that there is an idler pulley on the left for the a/c belt; the power steering mounts low on the left front of the engine.
The original a/c brackets will probably be very tough to come by, In fact, even back then they were nearly impossible to find; you're better off to go hunting in local junkyards for a Chevy setup that looks as though it would work.
Side story: back then (1976) I had given my original engine to a rebuilder recommended by a friend who gave him a lot of business for building professional race car engines. I went there with my friend to discuss it. He asked for all the brackets and accessories for use when he dyno'd the engine after the rebuild (they were needed for the p/s pump and alternator); he said the timeframe depended on his workload, but should be just a few weeks. Dumb me, I didn't discuss price with him... at the time you could have a Chevy sb V8 removed, rebuilt, and re-installed within a few days for under $800 at most shops (but I was doing the R&R myself). I figured this guy would be a bit higher considering the dyno run (I assumed perhaps as much as $1200), but wouldn't gouge me because of his vendor relationship with my friend. It was to be rebuilt to stock factory specs. You know what they say about "assuming". When he finally completed the work (over 4 months later!), he presented a bill for $2500; I was already upset about the timeframe, and I told him I couldn't afford it, he could keep the engine, just return my brackets. He refused, so I filed suit in small claims court and the day before the court hearing he gave me back the brackets. I bought an engine out of a wrecked new Malibu in a junkyard with only about 2k miles on it for $500 delivered to my door (or was it $400?). I installed that, adding a Holley intake & carb (sold the original Malibu parts), which worked out very nicely.
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Congratulations! I too, own a '71. You don't mention whether you have previously owned any Studebakers.
1. Are there shop, body, and chassis manuals, if so who has them and are they as complete as the studebaker manuals?
No, the Stude manuals still apply to almost everything except the engine & transmission
2. SI has some parts, but not many Avanti II parts, who are the principle suppliers?
The primary source for parts is Nostalgic Motor Cars in Wixom MI; unfortunately their website seems
to have been abandoned about 4 years ago, but you can reach them at 1-800-avanti1. They bought out
nearly all the pre-1985 Avanti 2 parts from Avanti Motor Co when Avanti went out of business.
Another source is eBay, and in fact Nostalgic often lists parts there under the name "Avantilady"
Nostalgic can also provide you with a copy of the original build order for your Avanti.
Here is another parts vendor: http://www.avantiparts.biz/servlet/StoreFront
Other vendors do carry parts, especially those parts that are common to the original Stude Avanti,
and there are some aftermarket parts like exhaust systems.
Some vendors advertise in Avanti Magazine, the AOAI club publication: https://www.aoai.org/shop/home.php?cat=1
They also sell a set of 5 CD's of all their issues (I have stacks of the magazine, so I haven't popped for the Cd's): https://www.aoai.org/shop/home.php?cat=3
Here is a website with a lot of good info: http://www.studebaker-info.org/
3. On the 71 is the battery properly mounted in the trunk, if so should it be contained?
No. it is normally inside the left front fender (front corner). Trunk batteries should be vented
outside the car, but you'd have to make your own provisions to do that.
4. Does the 71 have ignition suppression shielding, if so what does it look like, as it was not apparent on the 71 (and the radio did not work)?
Mine did not have shielding, and it hasn't been a problem. Corvette ignition shielding could be added if you so desire. Actually, shielding probably does more for other nearby vehicles than for yours. I converted my car to an an HEI distributor, IIRC (it's been a long time, I've owned several Avanti's, and converted several in those years).
5. What about engine, transmission parts, is there a separate GM book for that, and does it make more sense to replace with crate motor, transmission vs. overhaul?
Chevy small blocks are Chevy small blocks, there is tons of info on them; my tranny is a Turbo400, yours
probably is, too.
If you are concerned with originality, then rebuild the engine, otherwise it is probably more cost-effective
to go with a crate engine (like a ZZ4), and a 4-speed Chevy automatic would improve your mileage (700R4, for example). At one point, I replaced my original engine with one from an '84 Corvette.
6. The AC compressor is missing, what type compressor is used and who might have it and what ever brackets may be used?
I'm having a senior moment, I can't remember the maker of the a/c compressor (it's the square aluminum casting pump used by Stude and Ford). But I had a '69 at one time that used the GM a/c compressor (apparently Avanti used whatever was available and cheapest at the time of build)... brackets are readily available for those; any good a/c shop can probably do the plumbing for either type.
Finally does anyone have pictures of the engine compartment of a 71 that they could email (renda1007@yahoo.com).
I am familiar with 63-64 motor compartment and this 71 looks like it is missing some parts and/or has some "jack-leg" changes.
I can send you some photos of my engine compartment, although it would take a day or two to get better pics of the engine compartment (which isn't in as good condition as the body & interior), but as I said, it's not completely original. I'll attach two photos I was able to find quickly.
Here is a webpage with a number of Avanti photos: http://www.studebaker-info.org/
Any help would be appreciated Ken, Deltaville Va
You're at the right place to ask. Good place to post when you've found a parts source or made a satisfying
modification, also, its the way we all learn more about our Avanti's.
Wayne
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I don't have direct knowledge, except to say that GM built steering columns for several
other car manufacturers, including AMC and Chrysler, I believe.
I'm surprised the locksmith you consulted said he can't get parts, I would have to think
the internal parts are more than likely still available, even though the complete column isn't,
maybe even from aftermarket parts suppliers. What parts, exactly, do you need? The lock cylinder
itself should be easy.
My guess is that the 7-digit number (7811079)is probably the GM part number for the column assembly.
I have a partial listing of parts for '65 to '70 Avanti that lists a part number 1561594x41,
and I suspect the first 7 digits may be a GM part number... your column may be a later version.
I doubt you need to buy an exact replacement column... you may be able to buy a similar column,
disassemble the lock and use the parts for your column, as I suspect the internals are
pretty much the same for those early 70's GM columns.
Probably best to get parts that come with an ignition key, but a locksmith can probably
make a key for whatever you do find.
Or, possibly even disassemble your column and take photos of the parts you need (for comparison
purposes, marked with measurements you take) and try some specialty parts vendors, like these:
http://stolenandrecovered.com/parts2/rack.php
http://www.carlocksandkeys.com/servlet/the-ALL/keyword/GMC-ignition-Lock/Categories
http://www.gmtiltsteeringcolumn.com/
Even eBay:
Here's some info I found on 70's Corvettes, which might possibly have the same internals as your car:
"Standard Columns 1969 through 1976.
Ignition Switch All Corvette standard (non-adjustable) columns used the same GM ignition
switch from 1969 through 1979. Reminder: standard columns have one type switch, adjustable
columns have a different switch. Even though your Corvette wiring harness will connect to
either switch, the steering column rod pushes to actuate the standard switch (GM 1990115)
into the START position whereas the T&T steering column rod pulls to actuate the T&T switch
(GM 1990116) to the START position.
Ignition Lock Cylinder (1969 – 1978) All GM columns use interchangeable ignition lock
cylinders from 1969 thru 1978 (GM 20071252).
Key Warning Buzzer Switch (1969 – 1979) Available from GM.
Used on all standard GM columns of that era (GM 7804414)."
You can check availability of GM part numbers here: http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/
(your column number didn't get a hit, but I didn't really expect it would)
Lastly, it might be worth contacting Dan Booth at Nostalgic Motorcars to see if he
has any info or parts (he might even have complete columns, but I expect they would
be expen$ive, whereas replacement lock parts should be much more reasonable); it's
possible he'd know the AMC model that used the same column, assuming one did.
Good luck, and please share (with us) any info you gain in your quest.
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Im in search of a new master cyl at the moment.
This might help: http://www.studebaker-info.org/tech/repavIIMC.html
You may need adapters to join the old tubes to the new M/C (small brass parts shown in some photos).
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If you don't already have one, get hold of an Avanti parts book for parts numbers and
illustrations of body parts... for example: http://tinyurl.com/26l62e3
When you look for body parts, be aware Avanti II has a different wheel opening than the original Avanti's since the fender sits higher (body mounts are shimmed to raise the front end, so the stance of the Avanti II is more level than was the original, thus the wheel well of the outer fender skin had to be filled a few inches at the top to compensate). Most of the other panels for a 64 Avanti are likely the same as Avanti II (63 front panels are different).
Looks like it took a pretty hard hit... the brake booster & master cylinder appear to be pushed
upward, which means there may be firewall damage in addition to the extensive front & left quarter damage; right fender may be repairable, although the repairs would be noticeable on the inside. Frame needs to be checked dimensionally.
As others mentioned, Dan Boothe at Nostalgic Motors is probably your best parts source.
He may even be able to recommend a shop in your part of the country.
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Just a thought... I upgraded by installing a stock mid-70's Chevy HEI distributor and 8mm spark plug wires in my '71 Avanti years ago. It's been trouble-free.
Can't recall any issues except I had to replace a resistor wire (pink) with a normal wire, use larger wire guides, and also had to find the proper connectors to attach the 12v feed and the tach wire to the distributor.
Maybe someone else can chime in who has done an HEI swap recently.
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dated 6/3/2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/automobiles/collectibles/06EGO.html?pagewanted=2&emc=eta1
Click on the "Audio Slide Show", too.
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Thank you all for your help. This is a great club to belong to. Everyone is very helpful and I appreciate it. I've got the hoses on now and am driving the car. Thanks again!
Steve
??????? It's not fair to leave us hanging, ya gotta give us feedback as part
of the deal... what did you end up using?
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It's a sickness some of us have... I'm down to 2 Avanti's at the moment, but I've owned as many as 3 at one time and I've had 6 or 7 altogether over the past 35+ years. As soon as I sell one, I miss it.
Welcome to the club.
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I'd like that info, as well, for my 1971.
I recall that I had a heck of a time a few years back trying to fit some hoses I had in storage that I thought were the correct ones for my 1971 Avanti, but I couldn't get either of them to fit. Those numbers were 1700929 and 1701855xn85. I think #1701855xn85 was supposed to be the correct lower hose, but I was unable to wrestle it onto the outlets, and it interfered with the tubes at the front of my fuel pump; I'm pretty sure I got the hoses from Nostalgic Motors. My old lower hose was a cobbled hose made of 2 shorter hoses joined by a short length of aluminized tailpipe to guard against the hose getting cut by the alternator belt (it actually was the hose that came on the car, but I had added the aluminized tube many years back when the belt had eventually worn through the hose and caused a leak). I ended up taking my old cobbled hose to a "Car Quest" parts store that allowed me to browse through their stock of hoses, and I finally settled on a #20812, which has a 1 3/4" diameter throughout. I then cut some length off of each end to wind up with a hose that worked. Another hose that looked as though it might have worked was their #20957, but I was concerned that hose would not clear the alternator belt because it lacked an offset near one end that the more expensive #20812 did have.
I'm attaching a word file that has a photo of the hose I used, with a line superimposed on it that I thought would be the shape of the ideal hose for that application.
Don't forget to put the spring inside that lower hose to keep it from collapsing under vacuum.
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Hopefully someone else will jump in with the answer. I'm surprised no one has.
Wish I had the ambition, but I'm not going to pull a door panel apart on my car
to see what the parts look like.
The illustration does show the adjusting screw separate from the vent frame, so it does appear it
should move in & out of the vent frame. If that's so, to make an adjustment I assume the screw
has to be held by something at the washer end (at/near the door panel surface... that's the part I don't understand)
so that turning the screw in/out of the vent frame will cause the vent frame to move.
Can you see any rust on adjusting screw (3) where it enters the vent frame?
Can you turn adjustment screw 4 (at the base of the widow channel)?
I expect both adjusting screws (vent frame and end of the front guide for the side window)
might need to be loosened, otherwise they may fight each other (but they should turn a bit, regardless).
I would wet the base of the adjusting screw (at it's junction with the vent frame) with
penetrating oil (I like "Kroil") and let it sit a few days, periodically tapping the end of a
screwdriver (inserted in the adjusting screw slot) with a light hammer, then re-wetting with oil.
After a few days, try using a screwdriver bit on a ratchet wrench to turn the adjustment screw
(more leverage than you can get with a screwdriver handle), to try to move it slightly in both
directions without applying enough force to damage the slot or break the screw; assuming it
moves even a tiny bit, douse it again and let it sit overnight before trying again to unscrew it.
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Looking at the parts manual again in the daylight...
The adjustment bolt is listed as 2121-4, along with a jam nut and washer.
The adjustment bolt 2120-39 for the longer forward door run 2120-38 also lists a jam nut.
The illustration doesn't seem to show the jam nut.
Looking at the workshop manual... procedure for adjusting the door window and ventilator assemblies
(page 12 in Body section). Step 1 says to first loosen 3 bolts (figure 6) at the top of the
door below the vent window, and also loosen the adjustment locknuts at screws 2 and 4.
Shift the vent frame forward or rearward as needed, then snug those 3 top screws.
Then turn screw 2 in or out to adjust the top of the vent frame in or out as needed.
Then go on to adjust the side window frame for smooth operation.
Wish I could be there to look at the door, because it's not clear from the books exactly how the
adjustment parts are fitted. It's also not clear whether the jam nut jams against the vent frame
or against the washer on the screw/stud. I am imagining an adjusting stud with a slot at the end,
and a jam nut and a washer on it; I just can't tell for certain from the illustration.
It's also possible I'm wrong, that the adjusting stud is supposed to be frozen in the vent frame
and the adjustment is done via a nut on the stud.
But, the instructions say to turn the stud/screw, so my first supposition is more likely.
You are right, there does not appear to be any way to get your arm up into that area,
which means the lock/jam nut must be accessible from the outside... take a hard look again.
Are you sure the adjusting screw goes directly into the vent frame, rather than into a nut
that "appears" to be part of the frame? Must be a jam nut somewhere, even if it's only a thin one
that looks more like it's a part of something else.
Are the parts rusty?
Could you provide closeup pics?
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I can't seem to find a good illustration of those adjusting parts,
but I'm going to take a wild guess that there may be a jam nut on
the adjusting screw (stud) that has to be loosened first in order to turn the
stud shaft. Take a good look with a strong light. Then you may need a
deep socket to loosen the nut unless you can snake a wrench behind the
door panel fiberglass. If you've loosened the locknut and still cannot move
the screw/stud, you may need to apply some penetrating oil, let it sit awhile,
then work the screw in both directions every now & then and hopefully it'll
free up eventually.
What about the other adjusting screw (lower on the door panel)... were you
able to get that one to move?
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I understand, but my car seams to have another crome ring (3/8" ish thick)/washer under the window and door crank, then door panel. So is the clip below that or between the handle and that piece?
Rich
I think you mean the trim bezel 2117-30; the plastic washer 2117-32 is between that and the handle.
The clip is on the handle shaft surround (eg, a short tube which is part of the handle casting and extends perhaps 1/8 inch from the bottom surface of the handle, with slots machined in it to accept the clip).
So there's the handle, clip, plastic washer, bezel, door panel, and donut, in that order. IIRC, that plastic washer has a recessed circle (offset towards the door) in it's center that surrounds the shaft and encloses/surrounds the wire clip. So the tool has to slide between the handle and the thin plastic washer, from the end of the handle blade towards the handle shaft.
You don't say whether you have a copy of the parts manual page, which illustrates it very clearly.
I annotated it and attached it to this reply (click the thumbnail for a larger view)
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I agree with ernier. The clip is normally installed from the side of the pivot shaft away from the handle, so the tool needs to be inserted beneath/paralleling the handle, towards the shaft. The clip should be between the handle and the plastic washer (when installing, the clip is normally installed in the slot in the handle, from the side away from the handle/flipper, then the washer is placed over the shaft and the handle simply pushed down onto the shaft until the clip locks in place).
This is the type of tool that should pop the clip free (most of the tool will be beneath the handle extension/flipper while doing this):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KI10TC
If you have a parts manual, page 187 shows the exploded handle assembly; 2117-32 is the plastic washer; 2117-24 is the clip, shown properly oriented; 2117-32 is a foam donut that provides enough springiness to let you to separate the handle from the trim by pushing in on the upholstery panel so you can peek in between the handle and the trim bezel 2117-30 to see the plastic washer... you may need to use a slim putty knife to separate the washer from the handle a bit while pushing in on the upholstery panel (be careful not to damage upholstery); your clip removal tool then needs to pass between the plastic washer and the handle, flat against the bottom of the handle. It may take a little maneuvering to finally free the handle (which you should be tugging out away from the door as you manipulate the tool, although often the clip will literally fly/pop out of the assembly)
It's always possible the last guy to have the handle off inserted the clip from the opposite side, but that's very unlikely, because of the way the slot in the handle is machined for that clip.
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Is there any part numbers (local part stores etc...) for the caliper kit or the hose? 1967 Avanti II.
Not sure what you mean by a "caliper kit". I agree with Gunslinger that Avanti suppliers are the best source, especially for front brake pads (I had bad luck one time buying generic pads).
I've collected these part numbers, but they may be obsolete:
Front wheel cylinder seal kits are Wagner 46462 or Girling SP2556
Front rubber hoses: NAPA 36614
Rear rubber hose: NAPA 11146
Front bleeder valve: Wagner 6446
Front pads: NAPA 5702, or Wagner 702, or Raybestos PGP-D28, or Ferodo DDB-704, or EIS B502-D28
sun roof
in 1965-83 Avanti
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I don't know, I can only make suggestions, and hopefully someone on this forum will have exact information for you. But if not, perhaps some of the parts vendors do (try Nostalgic Motors).
If Avanti vendors can't help, I can give you some clues from a 2001 posting by Lew Schucart in the AOAI magazine that might possibly give you a path to chase. This is very old information, so there's no telling if it will bear any fruit...
The sunroofs were originally made by Skytop Sunroofs, which is now defunct, but it's assets were sold to "Auto Air Co/Midwest Custom Auto Top" in St Louis, (314-534-8080 as of 2001). They may (or may not) be able to supply parts and/or a service guide, and/or recommendations on shops that can service old sunroofs.
Another path to persue would be to see if you can find weatherstrip materials that closely match what you have. I'd look at the AUVECO catalog for starters; some parts stores may have a copy of that catalog for their own use, or you may be able to download a catalog from AUVECO's website. JC Whitney used to carry some generic weatherstrip materials years ago, dunno if they still do. And, sometimes NAPA can come up with strange stuff in their parts books, albeit they probably can't look it up under "Avanti sunroof"