mfg Posted November 22, 2023 Report Share Posted November 22, 2023 Hats off to Ed George, Nelson Bove, and the other Stude/Avanti participants at this annual Chicago show...Congrats to Nelson for winning the 'Bob Palma' award..and for entering the incredibly historic 'Bonneville' R3 Daytona convertible. Nelson..when you have time, would you please post photos of '#1' on this Avanti Forum?... Thank you, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lschuc Posted November 24, 2023 Report Share Posted November 24, 2023 Here are photos of Nelson and his 1964 Bonneville Daytona Convertible at the MCACN show last weekend. The tire in the first photo was actually used at Bonneville and was in the trunk of the #1 Daytona convertible. AOAI and SDC participants at the MCACN show. Nelson Bove, left and MCACN Studebaker organizer Ed George next to the photo poster of Bob Palma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2023 YES!....Thanks much Lou! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Driver Posted November 25, 2023 Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 A fitting tribute to the engineering excellence of Studebaker and dedicated owners. Kudos to all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Here are a few interesting photos of the 64V1001 R3 Bonneville car. Large fuel filler opening for rapid filling, twin fuel pumps, 1 inch vent lines exiting at tail lights, original one off Allstate racing tires(originals), extra instruments, original wrinkle finish roll bar, 8k tachometer and a 120 mph speedo. I guess it was too early for the 64 style 160 unit. The exhaust exits in front of the rear tire. It’s a pretty neat car. Edited December 7, 2023 by Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Wonderful photos!... We're the Halibrand mag wheels blacked out like that when the Daytona ran at Bonneville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) It would be 'neat' if you could bring the car back to Bonneville for a photo session, and perhaps a few 'runs'....Similar to what they did with the 'Bobby Issac' '69 Dodge Daytona (#71) a few years ago! (If you could pull that off, I suspect we'd see that Stude Daytona on the front cover of a future HRM!!) Edited December 7, 2023 by mfg added text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 The wheels are actually olive drab. I painted them a week or so prior to the show. They do look black but aren’t. The rim and spokes should be bare magnesium but I just didn’t have time to get that done. I was trying to squeeze those 60 year old Allstate tires on the rims on a warm day plus a few hundred other things in order to get it to MCACN. As shown, the engine was not running but is very close, no fluids in the trans or rear end, no brakes and still no top canvas. But the car put on a good show. If I was a millionaire bringing it to Bonneville for another run would be a lot of fun. I really doubt Hot Rod would have an interest though. I’ve approached them multiple times concerning the R3 Daytona they road tested in the Jan , 1964 issue and the attempts all fall on deaf ears. They should start thinking out of the box but they just don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Nelson, you may not be a millionaire right now, however you surely would be if you sold a few of those very special Studebakers at a Barrett- Jackson! I believe that the interest by even non-Studebaker folks would be off the charts!! For now though, those Studes certainly ended up with the right guy!...Best regards, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Thanks, Ed. I know some of them would not have made it if I didn’t latch onto them. I’m glad I did it. I’ve attached a few more photos, one of the over size fuel tank and one of the engine induction system. Joe Flannery nicknamed the engine a kamikaze engine as it has no air cleaner and was meant to run at full capacity with fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 Nelson..was this Daytona left basically intact over the years and just salted away by someone? ( After Paxton gave it up?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 8, 2023 Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 I first saw it at StuV products about fifty years ago. Chis Banke owned it then. He sold it to Lionel Stone who sold it to Paul Wolfe who sold it to me. It was pretty much intact when Paul bought it. He sent it out for a total restoration which was a failure. I bought the car in peace’s about twenty years ago. I pretty much started over on the restoration as the shop doing the work was way over their head.most of the parts were there but fortunately I had two other cars to go by to help in the correct reassembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 Wow!.... It's so good your Daytona wasn't destroyed by someone long ago!....Until you recently brought the car back into the light of day, I believe few knew it even still existed!........ BRAVO!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 It appears there never was a nut tack welded to the spare tire hold-down in the trunk as the vent line would have interfered with the installation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 10 hours ago, 8E45E said: It appears there never was a nut tack welded to the spare tire hold-down in the trunk as the vent line would have interfered with the installation. Good eyes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 Nelson......I was wondering if it appears that the 'X' was cut out of the frame on your #1 car at Paxton...or does it look like the convertible body was simply installed on a 'non X' Lark hardtop frame at the factory?....Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 hours ago, mfg said: Nelson......I was wondering if it appears that the 'X' was cut out of the frame on your #1 car at Paxton...or does it look like the convertible body was simply installed on a 'non X' Lark hardtop frame at the factory?....Ed Ed. I looked for evidence of an X member being removed and couldn’t find anything. I think the car was made intentionally without it. I also can find no witness marks where it had the weights in the front part of the front fenders. I believe the record book was consulted and this car was made as light as possible and was dedicated to shorter runs and all standing start records. Normally weight is good at Bonneville but not for the case of short standing start type records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 Very interesting...so glad these cars survived! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 Speaking of weight being a plus in some of the Bonneville classes...I remember hearing about the 'Pisano Brothers' sleek record setting '53 Stude coupe, which was powered by several different cubic inch variations of the early Chrysler 'Hemi' engine...... They ran what appeared to be a standard Studebaker dual exhaust system on this coupe..however, the exhaust system wasn't connected to the engine...The pipes and the twin mufflers were filled with CEMENT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 Cement in the exhaust system, that’s interesting.I guess a lower c/g would make the car more stable at high speed? More weight is good for high speed sustained runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Hello Nelson.....About the All-State tire you displayed at this show....It looks worn right down past the tread rubber...Did the Granatellis wear down all the tires on #1 (and the other Bonneville Studes) like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Ed. Too bad tires can’t talk as I think this tire could have a lot to say. If you look at the tracking surface it is worn to the thread then there is some rubber then worn to the thread again etc. I think since it isn’t an even wear all the way around that what we see was caused during one of the out of control slides, some were a mile or more long, that happened on the wet salt. Instead of rolling wear you see the tire quit rotating and the rubber was quite literally being scuffed away as the car was moving 90 degrees to the direction of the tire. I think stuff like this is just too interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2023 Nelson...did all the factory Studebakers which were run at Bonneville in '63 have standard transmissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWR46 Posted December 29, 2023 Report Share Posted December 29, 2023 Are there any lists of the R3 Engines used at Bonneville? Obviously engines built after October 1963 would not be a potential Bonneville engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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