mfg Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Studebaker offered only one 'Avanti Gold' exterior color for the 1964 Avantis......True? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 13 hours ago, r1lark said: True Sorry, true is incorrect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 OK, the other choice of course is false. But please include your reasoning for the false . I took the word 'offered' in the question as meaning listed in the literature and dealer information..........ie, that it does not include special customer requests, deviation permits, special paint for show cars, cars built up in engineering, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, r1lark said: OK, the other choice of course is false. But please include your reasoning for the false . I took the word 'offered' in the question as meaning listed in the literature and dealer information..........ie, that it does not include special customer requests, deviation permits, special paint for show cars, cars built up in engineering, etc. This is a tough one to satisfactorily explain....but here goes! Studebaker offered only one Avanti Gold in 1963, and the factory color code for this paint was/is P-6333. In 1964, Studebaker still offered the P-6333 Avanti Gold, however late in production a different color (or composition) 'Avanti Gold Poly' ( P-6337)was evidently used. The listing of the new and different color code (P-6337) by Studebaker indicates a definite change.....No auto manufacturer would ever list two different color codes for the exact same paint!......Clear as mud?? Edited December 9, 2017 by mfg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Interestingly, the code number assigned to 'Avanti Gold Poly' was the last exterior paint code number (P-6337) assigned to a Studebaker Avanti......The paint code number right before it (P-6336) was assigned to the late '64 Studebaker Avanti color 'Avanti Maroon'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobb284 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 We're any Avanti painted this formula for gold at the factory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regnalbob Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 This has been discussed before and there is only one Avanti Gold for 1963 (P6333) and 1964 (P6433). These numbers are shown on the ordering guides for 1963 and 1964 Avantis. There is no mention of P6337 which would be a 1963 code and not 1964. Also the code for Avanti Maroon is P6436, not P6336. Read the last post. Create Regnalbob Browse Forums Calendar Staff Online Users Leaderboard Activity Leaderboard Unread Content Mark site read Home General discussion Avanti Trivia Avanti Gold! Follow 0 Avanti Gold! By mfg, February 21, 2015 in Avanti Trivia Reply to this topic Start new topic mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 21, 2015 Studebaker offered only one 'Avanti Gold' exterior color for the '63-'64 Avantis.....True? Quote schuyler AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 62 posts Gender:Male Location:Del Dios, California Interests:Corvette, Avanti, Bicycling My Avanti:1963 # 63R-2318 Report post Posted February 21, 2015 Yes, and it was Avanti Gold Metallic # 7003-BD. Dupont Lucite. This applies to 1963. I am not sure if 1964 was the same. Quote mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 21, 2015 schuyler says True,.....Any other opinions on this question? Quote mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 22, 2015 Any other thoughts here? Quote mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 22, 2015 Apparently, Studebaker offered two 'Avanti Golds'....The PPG 'AVANTI GOLD' paint page from '63-'64 indicates this,....But I'm not sure of what the actual difference in the final color was! 1) 'AVANTI GOLD'...PPG mix code # 21530------------------- 2) 'AVANTI GOLD POLY'...PPG mix code # 22480 Different code numbers indicate slightly different colors...Answer to question...FALSE! Quote brad AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 607 posts Gender:Male Location:Various Interests:Avanti's, Studebakers, any interesting vehicles, pets,family..... My Avanti:1963 Report post Posted February 22, 2015 No actually, it means two different people from PPG mixed two different formulas at two different times. The ORIGINAL R-M lacquer was one formulation. Quote mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 22, 2015 On 2/22/2015 at 6:11 PM, brad said: No actually, it means two different people from PPG mixed two different formulas at two different times. The ORIGINAL R-M lacquer was one formulation. No brad, two different formulations could easily be produced from DIFFERENT paint companies, but two different formulations of the same code (color) would never occur from the same company....unless there was a specific reason!.....With some 'digging' we'd probably find that R-M also had two different 'Avanti Golds' during the production run of the Studebaker Avanti! Quote brad AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 607 posts Gender:Male Location:Various Interests:Avanti's, Studebakers, any interesting vehicles, pets,family..... My Avanti:1963 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) I can pull up codes for colors that have 12 different formulations for the same color. They are called variance chips. You can get different colors from the same mix if you spray it differently. I have probably painted over 2OO2 vehicles in my career. You don't just buy paint and spray it and expect it to match. It will not happen. Many, many times these "variances" are totally different toners off the mixing bank, not just different amounts of the same toner. Edited February 23, 2015 by brad Quote mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 I understand that brad, as I have probably painted over 2001 vehicles in my career..But you're incorrect if you feel this second formula is a color 'variance'...You see, color 'variances' are slight changes to an original paint formula. (or mix) What we're speaking of here is an entirely different formula (or mix)...(Nice try though!) Quote Regnalbob AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 161 posts My Avanti:63R-2809 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) On 2/22/2015 at 11:11 AM, mfg said: Apparently, Studebaker offered two 'Avanti Golds'....The PPG 'AVANTI GOLD' paint page from '63-'64 indicates this,....But I'm not sure of what the actual difference in the final color was! 1) 'AVANTI GOLD'...PPG mix code # 21530------------------- 2) 'AVANTI GOLD POLY'...PPG mix code # 22480 Different code numbers indicate slightly different colors...Answer to question...FALSE! The formula called for from Studebaker is what the paint companies use.The paint was mixed according to this formula. Different code numbers are used for the type of paint -- lacquer, acrylic lacquer or enamel. Only one Avanti Gold was available. The dealer did not have two color chips of Avanti Gold to show a customer. If the dealer or body shop had to repaint or touch up how would they know which one to use if there were two formulas? Unless you have a build sheet, window sticker, factory formula or a sticker from under the glove box to show something different than P-6333 or P-6433 there is only one Avanti Gold. http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/chipdisplay.cgi?year=1964&manuf=Studebaker&smodel=Studebaker&info=&page=9 http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/chipdisplay.cgi?year=1964&manuf=Studebaker&smodel=Studebaker&info=&page=4 Edited February 23, 2015 by Regnalbob Quote Edit mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 23, 2015 Actually Bob, both these numbers are for PPG (Ditzler at that time) 'Duracryl' acrylic lacquer paint.....Don't forget now...the second formula indicates 'Poly'. 'Avanti Turquoise' is another problematic color...Both PPG and Dupont only have one paint mix formula for this color....but their end results are 'Night and Day' believe me! Quote mfg AOAI Forum Member AOAI Forum Members 0 5,140 posts Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Report post Posted February 25, 2015 UPDATE on this trivia question.......I phoned an auto body paint supply house yesterday that sells 'PPG'. I was told that the 'Avanti Gold' color itself would most probably be exactly the same from either mix....but 'Poly' would indicate the second formula (mix) may stand up to the elements (sun, rain) longer than the first one would. (More durable paint) This info is probably correct, as I do remember that factory paint jobs on original Studebaker Avantis painted 'Avanti Gold' seemed to 'wash out' (fade) rather quickly. Quote Reply to this topic... Go To Topic Listing Avanti Trivia Next unread topic Robotic Avanti! 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regnalbob Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, mfg said: Interestingly, the code number assigned to 'Avanti Gold Poly' was the last exterior paint code number (P-6337) assigned to a Studebaker Avanti......The paint code number right before it (P-6336) was assigned to the late '64 Studebaker Avanti color 'Avanti Maroon'. The code for Avanti Maroon is P6436. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Regnalbob said: The code for Avanti Maroon is P6436. My information comes from late 1965 updates Bob...I believe you're info came from the '63-'64 time frame. Also, most of the 1964 Studebaker Avanti colors were 'carryovers'....That's why the 1963 paint formula for (for example) 'Avanti Turquoise' is the same for '63 & '64 That's also why the two 'Avanti Gold' paint codes seem very curious! Edited December 9, 2017 by mfg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Molded Fiberglass supplied fully finished and painted bodies...Studebaker built their own bodies and painted them. Two different paint processes could account for any visual differences between the same color number. Just a supposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Gunslinger said: Molded Fiberglass supplied fully finished and painted bodies...Studebaker built their own bodies and painted them. Two different paint processes could account for any visual differences between the same color number. Just a supposition. That could be for sure......Also, as mentioned before, that original 'Avanti Gold' color seemed to 'wash out' very quickly when exposed to continuous sunlight!......Studebaker possibly felt the color needed to be 'beefed up'... thus the 'Poly' change? (Frankly, it's a mystery to me!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 "Poly" is short for polychromate. All that is means is it is metallic, nothing else. No secret more durable formula nothing . it is fanciful thinking like saying a McKinnon engine is anything other than a standard 283. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 22 hours ago, brad said: "Poly" is short for polychromate. All that is means is it is metallic, nothing else. No secret more durable formula nothing . it is fanciful thinking like saying a McKinnon engine is anything other than a standard 283. Thanks for this reply... I could be completely wrong about this, but I'll bet the polychromate was a 'fortifier' for this particular Avanti color. The fact there was two different Avanti Gold codes was probably because the original Avanti Gold would simply not 'stand up'! The second version, which as we have determined was the exact same color, most probably held up better under the sun's ultra-violet rays. Remember, both versions were metallic (lacquer) paints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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