R1 heater hose routing, clip & clip lacer

[BillyBob]

Innocently enough, I began with repair (replacement) of a leaking heater core. A fun job - perhaps for someone else! One who has little interest in removing the heater core and blower assembly ever again, I thought a rebuild of the 57-year old blower motor might be appropriate. So far,  so good. While I'm assembling parts, I thought it might be appropriate to take a look at heater hose routing.  We all(?) know the Workshop and Parts Manual illustrations are guidelines and best to follow the illustration reference numbers for part numbers. Here's what I've found, Parts Manual Plate 21-1 seems to show formed heater hoses at both engine connections and straight nipples connecting to each of the 2 engine connections. The nipple (item 2101-90, p/n 1691714) closest to the motor center line (almost directly under the radiator surge tank, connecting to the water pump) - on my car - has a 90 degree bend, the other being a straight nipple (item 2101-89, p/n 1548305). I believe the Parts Manual is incorrect in specifying a formed hose (item 2101-74, p/n 1548497X18), connecting to the engine/water pump. The other hose, item 2101-72 (p/n 1548497X3), I believe to be correct when listed as a formed hose.

My car is missing item 2101-76, clip (p/n 195407 and its mate - clip, lacer, p/n 526600X1).

Simply asked, who has an image/photo of heater hose routing using this clip & clip, lacer that they could share?

See attached files for illustration & part numbers.

Thanks, Bill

 

 

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by BillyBob
hose part nos. excluded

[64studeavanti]

I checked 5408 as well as 4551. Both have an elbow closest to the radiator. Please note that 1691714 is described as an elbow. There are a couple of pictures of R1 engine bays in the Authenticity manual.

[64studeavanti]

It also appears that the heater hose routing is different if equipped with A/C.

[John C]

Hi BillyBob, This is John C and I am very technically challenged I have 21 photos to send but I haven't been able to get them on the forum. I will leave my email address in the PM section and if you email me I'll send them to you.

[brad]

I hope this helps.

[Ron.Strasser]

My 63 Avanti with a Factory AC installed after the car was built has the hoses a shown in the picture from the parts book.  The car is #63R1810  Both hoses have the 90 degree bend.

Ron

[BillyBob]

Hey, Brad - I want what you have (that clamp)!!  What does clip, lacer (spacer?), p/n 526600X1 look like?

[BillyBob]

64 studeavanti: yes, a/c and heater only cars have different heater hose routing.  This is covered in detail in the Authenticity Manual, pages B-8 (a/c) and B-18&19 (heater only).

[regnalbob]

On 12/26/2020 at 5:05 PM, BillyBob said:

 What does clip, lacer (spacer?), p/n 526600X1 look like?

Item 2101-168 is the clip and it is not used with the 195407 clamp. 

The clip is used like a modern cable tie to hold items in place, mostly under the dash.

The 195407 clamp is available from vendors.

 

 

[BillyBob]

Thank you, regnalbob.  My reference is to 2101-76, not 2101-168, in the Plate you attached. Thank you for your interest.  I believe the "lacer" (spacer? - apparent typo) is a flat washer.

[regnalbob]

36 minutes ago, BillyBob said:

Thank you, regnalbob.  My reference is to 2101-76, not 2101-168, in the Plate you attached. Thank you for your interest.  I believe the "lacer" (spacer? - apparent typo) is a flat washer.

I know your reference is to 2101-76 which is the 195407 clamp.

You asked what the 526600X1 clip,lacer looked like and it is shown in the plate under 2101-168.

It is not used with the 195407 clamp.

There is no apparent typo as you believe and it is not a flat washer.

 

[BillyBob]

regnalbob, illustration 2101-168 is p/n 526600X9. Illustration 2101-76, according to the Parts Catalog is p/n 526600X1. In my Parts Catalog, dated July 1963, these are detailed on pages 152 (2101-76) and 153 (2101-168). Question: do either of your Avantis have a/c and is clip (illustration 2101-76, p/n 195407) used on the heater hoses at the front of the right-hand rocker cover?

[regnalbob]

On 12/24/2020 at 10:40 PM, brad said:

I hope this helps.

 

1 hour ago, BillyBob said:

regnalbob, illustration 2101-168 is p/n 526600X9. Illustration 2101-76, according to the Parts Catalog is p/n 526600X1. In my Parts Catalog, dated July 1963, these are detailed on pages 152 (2101-76) and 153 (2101-168). Question: do either of your Avantis have a/c and is clip (illustration 2101-76, p/n 195407) used on the heater hoses at the front of the right-hand rocker cover?

If your car does not have AC just go by the photo that Brad posted showing the 195407 clip.