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Did you get yours out without removing the dash?
Jim Wood
I have a 1988 Coupe. The Dash must be removed. Then the center console. To remove the center console you must remove the seats in order to reach 2 screws towards the rear of the console. The 4 fasteners on the top of the dashboard (underneath) are in the exact location as original Stued-Avanti's. The one most difficult to reach is located near the driver's side wiper. To remove the evaporator box just take a soldering iron and make an opening all the way to the right of the air door lever.
Do you have the one page 'Youngstown' instructions on removing the dash?
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Well I'm trying to get my HVAC unit out now so that I can replace it with a Vintage Air unit, what a PITA!
Local dealer has ordered mock-up units for me to try. Will have directions and pictures soon.
1987 Avanti Coupe
Jim Wood
Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
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That could have been one of my posts. One of my Avanti's had had its windshield replaced and was installed improperly(no dum dum was used). Both 'A' pillars were rotted out and required complete removal. New ones were fashioned from 4 separate pieces that were bent on a brake and welded together. We then epoxy primed them and rewelded them into place. It was expensive because of all the hand fab work. I've never seen replacement parts anywhere, If only I'd known that Jeff had that frame. I do have some pictures of the installed repair, but none of all the fab work that went into making them.
Thanks for the feedback. Pictures would be welcomed.
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Geof Park was selling a windscreen surround a few months ago.
He is located in Ca so check the roster for his details.
pb
Thanks - will do.
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I remember reading (either here or in the magazine) of someone discovering a rusted ws post, but they never explained what they did to fix it.
The entire windshield 'support' is shown as a part # in the Stude manual (btw the top part is fiberglass and the remainder is steel).
Does anyone know if this part is available? Cafaro used Kevlar to make it for the 1990 models (remember the picture of him with the sledge hammer).
I'll post picture when I can figure out how to do it (rusted right through on the bottom).
Bill
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I need the outer window seal for an 89 Avanti. SI has them thru 1983, but not 89. Is the 89 door that different from the 83? Also who might have them, if not SI, and has anyone substituted "cat wiskers", for the rubber seal that is supposed to the used? Ken, Deltaville, Va.
Look under "1988 Window Sweeks" in the '84-91 (this forum) page 4. Note: You must view 'options' at the bottom of page and request ALL posts (not just the one's currently showing).
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This car is a Caprice (in disguise) so start with manuals for that. My '88 used 'off the shelf' courtesy light switches.looking for courtesy light switch, and hinge for the console in between the front seats, for 89 model. Who has this kind of stuff, and what manuals would be good to have for this model. i'm new to avanti ? Ken
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Hello everyone, I'm new here. I am in the process of purchasing a 1987 Avanti that needs a heater core and maybe an evaporator. I've read some messages in these forums that are scaring me off. Has anyone sucessfully changed done this or does anyone know a tech in the NY metro area that is capable of it. Thank you in advance
It's been 2 months now since I started (no 'experts' in Milwaukee would touch the job). It is a nightmare! The instructions I have to remove the evaporator say that after I remove 6 screws I should be able to wiggle the unit back & forth until the manual (hot/cold) vent door rod pulls out - not happening. If I could just get the evaporator out of the way I might be able to reach the heater core w/o further disassembly. 1988 coupe.
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Well I’m getting ready to dive into the A/C on my ’87 and it scares the heck out of me. If anyone knows how Avanti Motors wired the A/C, I would appreciate the help. I found the original GM compressor clutch plug taped up to the engine harness under the air cleaner, it doesn’t look like it was ever used and the wiring ends at a loose plug near the accumulator. The system wiring is different than a GM system and uses a different A/C control unit on the dash. The air box is a real piece of work; looks like two air boxes were glued together with at least one air flap riveted so as not to move. Someone added an electric fan to the front of the condenser and wired into the compressor clutch. A no-no that probably caused the compressor clutch to fail. I’m going to try to fix the OEM system first, but may try an aftermarket system like Vintage Air if it gives me too many problems.
Sooooo, many years later...... did you ever replace the HVAC monstrousity? Cuz I can't see putting this thing back together as originally designed and built ('88 coupe).
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Were you told that the evaporator needed to be removed?
ErnieR
No, I have instructions on how to remove it (evaporator) and the first thing you have to do is remove the blower and housing to the right of it. The way this whole thing is set-up it connects from right to left. If I attempted to remove the actual air box with the hoses and heater core inside I would need space in the front and to the left which looks 'iffy'. I may have to remove everything though. Right now I'm hoping to be able to gain access from the opening when the evaporator is removed.
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Is the air box one piece?
Once the hoses are out of the way look to see if it's 2 pieces. One piece sliiding into the other is common. I would think that installation in one peice would be difficult. It could be riveted together or screwed. In fact, from what I've seen of the workmanship on these cars I wouldn't be shocked to see things riveted together that other manufacturers would design with screws or nuts and bolts. I don't think longevity or ease of service was ever a goal when these cars were built.
I bet you could touch the core with the air hoses off. There could also be screws or studs in the engine compartment that hold the air box.
ErnieR
Patience - 1st I have to go and get someone to evacuate the AC so I can disconnect and remove the evaporator. Some rivets and some screws all around on this airbox. 4 screws at the firewall/engine compartment where the actual heater hoses connect.... Overall - very 'plastically'.
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It has to be in the air box. It almost looks like they built the car around the heater box. Anyway, you wouldn't be able to see the core until you took out the air box. Not that I've done the job on this year Avanti but they are always enclosed never just hanging out for the world to see. The tubes aren't usually more than a few inches long so you know it's on the other side of the firewall from where the hoses go in and I'm pretty sure it's fastened inside the box so you would need to disconnect hoses to pull out the assembly.
ErnieR
Thanks Ernier - It looks like I'll be going from right to left: Remove fan and air intake housing / remove evaporator / hope to be able to reach core from there OR will need to remove entire system (which may have been installed before they installed the 'Z' Bar!!!)
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'87 & '88 owners - take a look under the hood at middle firewall where the in & out water heater hoses are located. The area has a square section with 4 bolts (one on each corner). Almost looks as if one might be able to remove the heater core from this area (after moving the distributer out of the way). If this is the case I'm thinking Small core and why it never heated good from day One. Also, if this is the case I'm thinking GREAT!!!
Ummmmm - it wasn't the case. The core is back there somewhere.
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Anyone ever tried it? I can't get it off!
It's OFF! Heater core still not in sight. Must remove center console. In order to remove center console both front seats must be removed. Alright - everything removed. As far as I can tell (working from right to left) the blower and intake housing must be removed in order to then remove the AC evaporator which in turn gives you access (?) to the Heater Core. I'm starting to have grave doubts about this whole endeavor........
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Looks like SI has the windshield, left & right posts (if needed) AND the rubber windshield seal.
I have read virtually ALL articles on Avanti windshields as well as the 'official' manuals. You ALWAYS start off by removing the L&R pillar posts which are suppose to be fastened by 5 screws each. Question: So where are these screws located? Would they happen to be behind the leather interior that is covering the inside of these 2 posts?
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Stude Intl has new ones (not chromed).
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Looks like SI has the windshield, left & right posts (if needed) AND the rubber windshield seal.
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I should have been more specific. Thanks guys. I know about the windshields - what I need clarified is how it is 'fastened'. I have the original Shop & Parts Manuals and they indicate that the left and right side trim mouldings are fastened with retainer screws in the pillar. I cut thru the leather trim on the inside of the right pillar (rusted) and could find no fasteners. I thought I read about this years ago - that these 2 mouldings are 'glued' on. I just want to have some answers if the glass shop asks. Also, I don't recall seeing any info on the actual rubber for this window.
Note: I guess when cars are built the windshield is one of the last parts to go on. The dash is 'wedged' in pretty good and the 4(?) studs will not release from the upper dash support. Thus I used an hydraulic jack to lift which worked until CRACK!
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Heater core bad.
Need to remove Dashboard.
In attempt to remove Dashboard (according to Youngstown instructions) I put too much pressure on the windshield (a lot) and it is now 'cracked'.
Soooooooo
Heater core still buried under dash that will not come out and now the windshield is toast.
Anyone have any comments or discussions on WINDSHIELD replacement?
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Anyone ever tried it? I can't get it off!
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I just did the heater hoses on mine and pray I don't ever have to do that job.
I have seen instances where a hose is leaking and spraying coolant backwards into the heater core cavity causing the same symptoms as a leaking core. I had to re-tighten the clamps on my hoses a couple of times. They leaked out not in but I have had it happen. Just something to check before you tear into the dash.
While I don't have any tips on doing the job I think if you document the task when you do it you will be the first to give us 87-89 owners a guide to do the job.
ErnieR
'87 & '88 owners - take a look under the hood at middle firewall where the in & out water heater hoses are located. The area has a square section with 4 bolts (one on each corner). Almost looks as if one might be able to remove the heater core from this area (after moving the distributer out of the way). If this is the case I'm thinking Small core and why it never heated good from day One. Also, if this is the case I'm thinking GREAT!!!
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Anyone ever replace the heater core in an '88 coupe? Mine has 'finally' had it (used some stop leak last year but now I'm back to square one). I actually have some 'special instructions' for this car from a former Youngstown employee - looks as if the dash will have to be removed. Anyone got some 'tricks' they can share? I'm guessing the core is located just about in the middle on top of the trans tunnel under the dash. I'm FREEZING!!! (and breathing the antifrz vapor is not helping)........
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Last fall, I saw one at a British car club meet...I went with my sister (a Land Rover & MGB owner) when her husband couldn't make it.
It was with a long time owner and was in 3- condition. Nice car.
Aside from the engine...imagine if someone tried to make an Avanti with expensive off the shelf-English parts and a expensive leather interior...from a firm that is no longer around.
I'm sure it's a nice car but looking at one with needs made me glad I had an Avanti...I don't think I'll ever gripe about Avanti engineering, parts, and reliability ever again.(Well, maybe sometimes).
In other words, if you think an Avanti is hard to restore...this would be much worse...especially in the US without club support and a large parts vendor network.
Value-wise, they're a bit like Avantis...I saw one at an auction at Hot August Nights a few years ago, the guy had done a loit of mechanical work, but it needed more and some cosmetics...and it was going for mid-teens or less.
www.saint.org HAS what you're looking for - scroll down to cars driven by the Saint.
Bill D
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Marry Christmas and stay safe!
Our house (eastern panhandle of WV) last weekend. We have a fresh coating of ice on the roads today.
Joe M in WV
That doesn't look like an AVANTI to me!
Fuel fumes inside
in 1965-83 Avanti
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There is also a 'filter' media on the canister. Maybe try and clean IT first and see if that helps. Think it is located on the top area - made to filter to the atmosphere (I think).