Avanti Frame!

[mfg]

The Studebaker Avanti carrying the first production frame built by Studebaker is serial number…..?…..

1) 63R 1001….2) 63R 1002….3) 63R 1003…..or…..4) 63R 1004

[John Hull]

Believe the first 10 prototypes and  1st 5 or 10 production car frames  assembled by Midland Ross Cleveland Ohio under contract with Studebaker

Know the prototypes all were Midland Ross and carried green frame plate

[Mark63Avanti]

9 hours ago, John Hull said:

Believe the first 10 prototypes and  1st 5 or 10 production car frames  assembled by Midland Ross Cleveland Ohio under contract with Studebaker

Know the prototypes all were Midland Ross and carried green frame plate

John: I did not know this about the first units being made by Midland Ross.  Are there any books or articles that go into this further?  I would like to know more of the Avanti "origin story".

[mfg]

11 hours ago, John Hull said:

Believe the first 10 prototypes and  1st 5 or 10 production car frames  assembled by Midland Ross Cleveland Ohio under contract with Studebaker

Know the prototypes all were Midland Ross and carried green frame plate

A bit of controversy here John…Another noted Avanti collector, whom I’m sure you have met, has stated that one of the above listed Studebaker Avantis was the first Avanti equipped with a frame produced at Studebaker, South Bend.

Any other thoughts on this question?

Edited Saturday at 02:57 PM by mfg
Added “ thoughts”

[Mark63Avanti]

Another question:

51 minutes ago, mfg said:

Avanti equipped with a frame produced at Studebaker, South Bend.

Another question: When you say a "frame produced at Studebaker, South Bend" what do you mean by this?  I thought frames were made by Budd and sent to South Bend.

Second Question: Who's "Armor Guard" frame tagline was it? I believe I've seen this used in Studebaker literature.

[mfg]

33 minutes ago, Mark63Avanti said:

Another question:

Another question: When you say a "frame produced at Studebaker, South Bend" what do you mean by this?  I thought frames were made by Budd and sent to South Bend.

Second Question: Who's "Armor Guard" frame tagline was it? I believe I've seen this used in Studebaker literature.

Good question!…. Owner states “1st  production frame built by Studebaker”.. which could be interpreted as built by the Budd company.. but not by Midland Ross, as the ‘EX’ Stude Avantis frames were.

[mfg]

Uncle?

[mfg]

Hmmmm… which one??

[mfg]

All done here?

[Geoff]

Personal experience has me conflicted; the 25th frame, 21st engine and 19th body came together to make 1025. So there's no rhyme or reason to use.

I'll throw my dart in the pitch black at a dark wall and hope I hit with, 3) 63R 1003

[mfg]

56 minutes ago, Geoff said:

Personal experience has me conflicted; the 25th frame, 21st engine and 19th body came together to make 1025. So there's no rhyme or reason to use.

I'll throw my dart in the pitch black at a dark wall and hope I hit with, 3) 63R 1003

You’re very close, but not quite ‘there’!

[Geoff]

"not quite there" leads me to believe it's further to go, rather than an overshoot.
4) 63R 1004

[mfg]

1 hour ago, Geoff said:

"not quite there" leads me to believe it's further to go, rather than an overshoot.
4) 63R 1004

Ouch!…. Sorry 1004 isn’t the one!