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Since my friend/troll Regnalbob brought this up (again).. I’ll take this opportunity to say once again that I wasn’t ‘banned’ from the other forum… I quit that forum.. and the following day the administrator ‘banned’ me! (Word to wise… Never request that a Stude forum administrator disclose what that ‘not for profit’ car club is paying him!)

Regnalbob my friend… you are also my favorite troll!!……….Also, I used the DESCRIPTIVE word ‘tan’ because you didn’t seem to comprehend what ‘Fawn’ was!

A manual switch controlling the torque converter lockup is the smart play! The factory ECM seemed to lockup the converter in my own ‘83 Avanti way too early.. and some aftermarket kit just might do the same! if flipping a console mounted switch is too tiring, perhaps going to bed earlier would help?

SN-60 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 11717 Location: Massachusetts Send PM Share #5 10-11-2012, 11:15 PM----Weren't all '63 Avanti carpets various 'salt & pepper' shades? This is a reply from you on the SDC Forum. No mention of just tan & black. When you ask questions you will need to specify if you want answers to the question or the intent of the question. Studebaker did not offer a tan and black carpet, it is Fawn and Black. If you have tan or Fawn salt you should be very cautious when you use it. Take the time to educate yourself on the use of the term salt and pepper and you will find it does not apply only to Fawn & Black. The answer to the question is false for one reason. There were 4 combinations and not 3 which you confirmed as correct salt and pepper. Lastly, don't ever call me friend. Have a nice day.

It would probably perform better without the ECM. The transmission lock up converter is controlled by the ECM so when you remove it, you lose the lock up converter. Some people will tell you that you can put in a manual switch and activate the converter lock up every time it goes into 4th gear. For me, that's a bunch of activity that I don't want to deal with, so I'd invest in the kit that goes into the transmission valve body which automatically locks up the converter in 4th gear. While that's being done, you can change the transmission filter also.

17" space saver off of a Ford 500 sedan. I bought mine new off of eBay a couple of years ago. Height was a perfect match for the tires on the car, fit into the spare tire well and allowed the floor to be flat.

Carpeting on the back wall of the trunk was eliminated at R-4309.

Thank you Kodjo! seems to work

Thank you! I just got it and put it in - seems to Work 🙂 Long distance test next Saturday

I'm 90% convinced to replace my 112k mile 305 original engine in my 89. Probably going to put in an ATK 350ci 290 HP. They have the engine fully dressed or long block. Fully dressed includes carb that is NOT injected like my original so needing to remove the ECM. Opinions ! on removing ECM or just getting the long block and putting my Carb and distributer on new engine.. Thoughts appreciated. Its a winter project.

Bob, once again you need to try and understand a questions INTENT… The answer to this trivia question is FALSE for TWO reasons… 1) The ‘tan & black’ is the only carpet color that can be considered as ‘salt & pepper’ ((for rather obvious reasons I think!) 2) Studebaker offered more than three carpet color combinations on their 1963 Avantis. Again Bob my friend,…… If the salt you are using at home is red, orange, or even turquoise…. I would be VERY cautious when you use it!!!!! Have a nice day!

Anyone from Washington State driving? Mike

So it sounds like your Avanti was built with the red & black speckled carpeting even though it’s almost 300 units later than when the red & black carpeting was withdrawn…. As Dwight indicated, and I agree, conflicting production information like this make the story of the Studebaker Avanti even more interesting!

You now tell us there is only one salt & pepper carpet.

OK. You mean only Fawn and Black is "Salt & Pepper" color, and by the looks of it. Good explanation. The list of running changes shows red and black for all black 4275. Still... my Avanti is 4543 and it has red and black carpet and a carpet that covers the entire front seat from underneath. I believe it is original. In poor condition and has been there for a very long time. At least in 1976. Also interesting is that the trunk was only carpeted on the bottom. Could this be because my Avanti is a "Las Vegas Driveaway" and has exceptions due to rush or other reasons. R4543 suppose not to include changes to -64. All other things are like -63 model. Even the manual shifter without chrome ring etc.

EXACTLY Regnalbob!…..Answer…..FALSE… Studebaker offered FOUR ‘speckled’ carpet colors for ‘ 63 Avantis…. However, only ONE was ‘salt & pepper! Hence… answer FALSE! Thanks…Regnalbob ——- gender….Male location….Pennsylvania Avantis owned….’63…..63R2809 ‘63…. 63R4137 AOAI Forum member

mfg AOAI Forum Members 13.3k Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Author Posted June 2, 2014 Four it is on the 'Salt & Pepper'! g AOAI Forum Members 13.3k Gender:Male Location:Massachusetts My Avanti:1963,63R1379 Posted June 2, 2014 Trivia!.....In 1963, Studebaker offered three different 'salt & pepper' color combos for the Avanti's carpeting....True?

1964 NOS wood grained steering wheel and center emblem. Tail light housings and lenses B/U lenses and retainers R2 Grill badging for Larks and Hawks, one with stars to the left of the lasy s Parking light lenses Courtesy light and lenses Wiper Pivots (L+R) All NOS I'm putting together a list and pricing

Interesting!… How about listing what you have for ‘extras’?

Agreed!

Maybe where you’re from!!……..Do you live near regalbob?

I don’t know what brand of salt and pepper you use on your food Bob, but I certainly hope that your ‘salt’ is not red, or orange, or turquoise!!!!!!! However, if you post a Studebaker document that specifically states that ALL tu-tone Avanti carpeting will be considered or referred to as ‘salt & pepper’, I will defer!

Production variances is one thing that makes Avantis so interesting. Especially interesting are the "round-headlight '64 Avantis," with interior variations practically from car to car. --Dwight

I have always thought of "salt & pepper carpeting" as referring to two-tone carpet, i.e., tan & black, red & black, turquoise & black, etc. That's how I have always heard the term used. RegnalBob stated: "All 1963 & 1964 Avantis with two tone interiors had salt & pepper carpets, except the Fawn & Elk had Black carpet." (paraphasing a little) Yes, AFAIK that is the lone exception on '63s, AND that Fawn & Elk w/ black carpet interior was available only with either a Gold or Red exterior. The upholstery & exterior color combinations available are detailed in the Avanti Color & Upholstery Selector book. --Dwight