mfg Posted November 18, 2018 Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 The last two 'production line' Studebaker Avantis built were identical except for five things, and they are..........................................................................? There MAY also be a 'sixth' difference.....can anyone name it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 No thoughts on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studegary Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 Three things that were the same; R3 engine, AT, white color. I will leave differences to someone else, but we know that it is not these three. Someone probably has a copy of the production orders that will make this easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, studegary said: Three things that were the same; R3 engine, AT, white color. I will leave differences to someone else, but we know that it is not these three. Someone probably has a copy of the production orders that will make this easy. We're looking for differences here, not likenesses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studegary Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 hours ago, mfg said: We're looking for differences here, not likenesses! Please reread my post. I understand the question (just eliminating three possibilities). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 No opinions on differences here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Let's start this off: Interior colors were different, and one had the 'quiet' mufflers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 3 hours ago, r1lark said: Let's start this off: Interior colors were different, and one had the 'quiet' mufflers. Great!....That's two of 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudeNorm Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 One with one without FM radio and dual outside rearview mirrors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 One had a rear speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, r1lark said: One had a rear speaker. CORRECT....That's one more difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, StudeNorm said: One with one without FM radio and dual outside rearview mirrors... Have to disagree here Norm......The PO's only list "RAD PUSH" for both of these Avantis,....... and the outside mirrors are not mentioned on either car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 In pictures I've seen, 5642 had Halibrands, and 5643 just had hubcaps. However, these were probably somewhat current pics so may not reflect the 'as-built' configuration. Were any Halibrands installed at the factory or were they strictly dealer-installed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 2 hours ago, r1lark said: In pictures I've seen, 5642 had Halibrands, and 5643 just had hubcaps. However, these were probably somewhat current pics so may not reflect the 'as-built' configuration. Were any Halibrands installed at the factory or were they strictly dealer-installed? As far as I know, the optional Halibrand mag wheels were dealer installed....so I guess we can't call that a difference between the two last Studebaker Avantis. HEY!!........you guys are missing two REALLY OBVIOUS differences!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 No more thoughts here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Minor things - one had a 'sun band' and one had a rear speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 2 hours ago, r1lark said: Minor things - one had a 'sun band' and one had a rear speaker. Yes!....these are two definite 'as built' differences! However, there are still two RATHER MAJOR differences between these two Studebaker Avantis 'still on the table'!! Come on Paul....I know you can do it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Same engine, same color, both had square headlights, same transmission, had same tires, we already listed the interior color as a difference. Could not find any evidence that either had a rear axle ratio other than the standard. Maybe rear axle differences (but I thought all the R3 avantis got the flanged rear axle................) Maybe the revised front suspension components? I'm drawing a blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, r1lark said: I'm drawing a blank. Paul, you're going to let this trivia question beat you??........I DON'T THINK SO!!!!! HINT.....The PO's say it all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Uncle X 2 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) I don't have copies.of the actual PO's, just summary's from George Krem. So, guess I'll say uncle! Edited November 25, 2018 by r1lark fixed the emoji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 16 hours ago, r1lark said: I don't have copies.of the actual PO's, just summary's from George Krem. So, guess I'll say uncle! OK,...........and I think these two differences are a GREAT example of the expression..........'Hidden in plain sight'!! Major difference #1...................They have, of course, DIFFERENT SERIAL NUMBERS.......R5642 & R5643! Major difference # 2..................They have, naturally, DIFFERENT ENGINE NUMBERS.......R3SM506 & R3SM306! What could identify and differentiate a particular Studebaker Avanti more than these two items? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 11/24/2018 at 8:23 AM, r1lark said: Could not find any evidence that either had a rear axle ratio other than the standard. Maybe rear axle differences Good answer Paul!....and this is the 'possible' "sixth" difference which I mentioned in this trivia question.....These two Avantis 'POSSIBLY' have different rear axle ratios! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1lark Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, mfg said: OK,...........and I think these two differences are a GREAT example of the expression..........'Hidden in plain sight'!! Major difference #1...................They have, of course, DIFFERENT SERIAL NUMBERS.......R5642 & R5643! Major difference # 2..................They have, naturally, DIFFERENT ENGINE NUMBERS.......R3SM506 & R3SM306! What could identify and differentiate a particular Studebaker Avanti more than these two items? Well.........honestly I had thought of that..........but then figured they would have different ignition & trunk key numbers, different body numbers, etc..............so didn't figure you were looking for things like that. So if we are counting serial and engine numbers, then we need to count key numbers and body numbers too, which brings the number of differences to eight maybe nine. Edited November 26, 2018 by r1lark fix spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfg Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Yes...I certainly agree!....The ignition and door key, (no trunk key on Avanti), and more importantly the body number, should to be included on the 'differences' list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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