Phone Call Date

[murph the surf]

Happy New Year, everyone....

What date did Sherwood Egbert make the telephone call to Raymond Loewy, asking him to come to South Bend to talk about designing the new sports car that subsequently became known as the Studebaker Avanti?

[regnalbob]

March 9, 1961

[murph the surf]

13 minutes ago, regnalbob said:

March 9, 1961

Correct....

[John Hull]

Sorry guys Loewy contacted Egbert thru an inquiry to Clarance Francis Chairman of the Board Studebaker First

One of the biggest Avanti myths ever  Egbert contacted Loewy first makes good press but not true

Have letters and telegrams supporting this from Loewys files

Please be careful with these types of questions etc. as very few people and I'm one knows what really happened and this exercise promotes an untruth

Regards

[Dwight FitzSimons]

1 hour ago, John Hull said:

Sorry guys Loewy contacted Egbert thru an inquiry to Clarance Francis Chairman of the Board Studebaker First

One of the biggest Avanti myths ever  Egbert contacted Loewy first makes good press but not true

Have letters and telegrams supporting this from Loewy's files

Please be careful with these types of questions etc. as very few people and I'm one knows what really happened and this exercise promotes an untruth

Regards

So, Egbert asked Clarence Francis to contact Loewy?

--Dwight

[regnalbob]

22 hours ago, John Hull said:

Sorry guys Loewy contacted Egbert thru an inquiry to Clarance Francis Chairman of the Board Studebaker First

One of the biggest Avanti myths ever  Egbert contacted Loewy first makes good press but not true

Have letters and telegrams supporting this from Loewys files

Please be careful with these types of questions etc. as very few people and I'm one knows what really happened and this exercise promotes an untruth

Regards

 

On 12/31/2024 at 7:10 PM, murph the surf said:

What date did Sherwood Egbert make the telephone call to Raymond Loewy, asking him to come to South Bend to talk about designing the new sports car that subsequently became known as the Studebaker Avanti?

The question is not about Egbert contacting Loewy first.

First contact with Loewy was sometime in January, 1961. 

Loewy sent a letter to Egbert dated February 2, 1961. In the letter to Egbert he included a few clippings and photographs that he thought Egbert would find interesting.

On March 9, 1961 Egbert made a call to Loewy to talk about a new sports car.

Edited January 2 by regnalbob

[murph the surf]

21 hours ago, John Hull said:

Sorry guys Loewy contacted Egbert thru an inquiry to Clarance Francis Chairman of the Board Studebaker First

One of the biggest Avanti myths ever  Egbert contacted Loewy first makes good press but not true

Have letters and telegrams supporting this from Loewys files

Please be careful with these types of questions etc. as very few people and I'm one knows what really happened and this exercise promotes an untruth

Regards

Interesting......I have different info that is in Raymond Loewy's own words. In an interview with Loewy in 1974, he states that Egbert contacted him on March 9th, 1961, specifically regarding a project that ultimately became known as the Studebaker Avanti.....perhaps RL contacted Egbert via Francis offering his services to be a Studebaker designer yet once again, armed with design ideas and/or sketches for Studebaker prior to that phone call on March 9th, but, from what I'm reading, Egbert contacted Loewy SPECIFICALLY regarding the project that was to become the Studebaker Avanti.

Edited January 2 by murph the surf

[murph the surf]

 SEE PAGE 3, PARAGRAPH 6 (LEFT SIDE OF PAGE)

Edited January 2 by murph the surf

[John Hull]

Sorry guys I don't have time now to find them but telegrams from Loewy to his partner Snaith and loewy letter to Clarence Francis actual documents not loewy rememberers trump your understandings Trying to keep things factual again from actual records and documents not remembrance's 

A reporter was sent to a gunfight between a legend and an up and comer 

Reported back to the editor and asked

Do you want the truth or the legend

The editor told him to go with the legend

 

 

[murph the surf]

2 hours ago, John Hull said:

Sorry guys I don't have time now to find them but telegrams from Loewy to his partner Snaith and loewy letter to Clarence Francis actual documents not loewy rememberers trump your understandings Trying to keep things factual again from actual records and documents not remembrance's 

A reporter was sent to a gunfight between a legend and an up and comer 

Reported back to the editor and asked

Do you want the truth or the legend

The editor told him to go with the legend

 

 

Looking forward to seeing the documentation on that...As a legendary criminal defense attorney once said: 'proper demonstrable documentation always trumps snowballing hearsay….

Edited January 3 by murph the surf

[regnalbob]

Here is my documentation for the Loewy letter to Egbert.

From Studebaker: The Postwar Years by Richard M. Langworth

[murph the surf]

1 hour ago, regnalbob said:

Here is my documentation for the Loewy letter to Egbert.

From Studebaker: The Postwar Years by Richard M. Langworth

Thank you.

Just trying to see if I'm understanding this correctly...What I'm perceiving from John's reply was that the notion that Egbert had approached Loewy on March 9th, 1961 via telephone asking him to design a sports car that later became the Avanti has been "one of the biggest Avanti myths" - a fiction-but that it was actually Raymond Loewy who had made the initial approach through an inquiry to Egbert ,via Clarence Francis.   That, to me, would suggest that the "new sports car' was Raymond Loewy's idea, thus making Loewy the conceptual "father" of what became the Avanti. That's the impression I seem to be getting with this "new" information.............or is it simply a matter of Egbert's plans for designing a new sports car having been in the works PRIOR to the phone call on March 9th and discussed prior to that date, and this letter contained in Langworth's book is substantiation of that? .....just trying to see what I'm missing here, and exactly what the Feb 2nd letter to Egbert, other Loewy letters and the telegram to Clarence Francis are suggesting..

 

Edited January 3 by murph the surf

[regnalbob]

16 hours ago, murph the surf said:

Thank you.

Just trying to see if I'm understanding this correctly...What I'm perceiving from John's reply was that the notion that Egbert had approached Loewy on March 9th, 1961 via telephone asking him to design a sports car that later became the Avanti has been "one of the biggest Avanti myths" - a fiction-but that it was actually Raymond Loewy who had made the initial approach through an inquiry to Egbert ,via Clarence Francis.   That, to me, would suggest that the "new sports car' was Raymond Loewy's idea, thus making Loewy the conceptual "father" of what became the Avanti. That's the impression I seem to be getting with this "new" information.............or is it simply a matter of Egbert's plans for designing a new sports car having been in the works PRIOR to the phone call on March 9th and discussed prior to that date, and this letter contained in Langworth's book is substantiation of that? .....just trying to see what I'm missing here, and exactly what the Feb 2nd letter to Egbert, other Loewy letters and the telegram to Clarence Francis are suggesting..

 

More from Richard M. Langworth

[murph the surf]

3 hours ago, regnalbob said:

More from Richard M. Langworth

Thank you..