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1 minute ago, mfg said:
Sorry, I guess regalbob and I simply misinterpreted the word ‘ad’….
I agree with your conclusion!
Have to admit, might be pretty dangerous driving a car with "lullabye" wipers,especially after driving for 10-12 straight hours.....
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1 minute ago, mfg said:
Your question mentions an ad.. not the spoken word… so I thought the answer might be found in period Studebaker literature…. This totally confused regalbob too!
I'm sure those companies who spent $7 million for a 30 second spoken/visual spot during the Super Bowl certainly hoped their "ads" paid off for them...
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Yes, an unusual description, but during the initial introduction of the Avanti, the windshield wipers were described as "variable speed electric windshield wipers, lullaby type"
at 8:53-9:01.....
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7 hours ago, mfg said:
Actually, in the 1963 full line catalog, Studebaker mentioned their new Avanti had two speed electric windshield wipers.. and let it go at that!
I'm looking along the lines of the spoken word.....an unusual description, I'll have to say...
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Interesting...wonder if that was addressed in a service bulletin, as you'd have to assume a different part number would be used from whatever serial # and forward..It would be pretty amazing to have uncovered another running change after 61 years...
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6 minutes ago, wdaly said:
Right Hand Drive 'Sweep' for American Cars (I still say DUMB) 🤥
No, that wasn't the word used....
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As mentioned above, looks like it's going through Mecum Kissimmee on Sunday...Sunday is generally the best day to get a better deal-it might just slip through the cracks...
https://www.mecum.com/lots/1138436/2004-avanti-ii-convertible/?aa_id=649492-0
As an aside, I "chased" a '62 Bentley Continental S2 DHC that I had remembered seeing in my teens while it was still in the hands of the second owner, thinking I'd like to bring it back home- finally locating it consigned to an RM auction in Monaco through it's Kuwaiti owner. Seeing the auction pictures, it was obvious that it had sustained some serious flood damage and subsequent neglect even though that wasn't mentioned in the description-a total heartbreaker to see that formerly gorgeous car in this condition. After some research, I discovered flooding is not uncommon in Kuwait. While it looks like this Avanti hasn't sustained any such damage, I am noticing some funkiness on the door panels. Maybe that's normal for this series of Avanti with age, or as Randy states above, perhaps from high temperatures ?????
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23 minutes ago, Gunslinger said:
Rotary. I was going to say electric as opposed to vacuum…but electric is already in the description.
no, that's not the description that was used.....
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51 minutes ago, iamrgh said:
parallel?
no, that's not the description that was used.....
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In ads for the Studebaker Avanti, Studebaker touted their windshield wipers as "variable speed electric windshield wipers, _ _ _ _ _ _ _ type". What is the missing word in the advertising description??
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3 hours ago, regnalbob said:
More from Richard M. Langworth
Thank you..
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1 hour ago, regnalbob said:
Here is my documentation for the Loewy letter to Egbert.
From Studebaker: The Postwar Years by Richard M. Langworth
Thank you.
Just trying to see if I'm understanding this correctly...What I'm perceiving from John's reply was that the notion that Egbert had approached Loewy on March 9th, 1961 via telephone asking him to design a sports car that later became the Avanti has been "one of the biggest Avanti myths" - a fiction-but that it was actually Raymond Loewy who had made the initial approach through an inquiry to Egbert ,via Clarence Francis. That, to me, would suggest that the "new sports car' was Raymond Loewy's idea, thus making Loewy the conceptual "father" of what became the Avanti. That's the impression I seem to be getting with this "new" information.............or is it simply a matter of Egbert's plans for designing a new sports car having been in the works PRIOR to the phone call on March 9th and discussed prior to that date, and this letter contained in Langworth's book is substantiation of that? .....just trying to see what I'm missing here, and exactly what the Feb 2nd letter to Egbert, other Loewy letters and the telegram to Clarence Francis are suggesting..
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2 hours ago, John Hull said:
Sorry guys I don't have time now to find them but telegrams from Loewy to his partner Snaith and loewy letter to Clarence Francis actual documents not loewy rememberers trump your understandings Trying to keep things factual again from actual records and documents not remembrance's
A reporter was sent to a gunfight between a legend and an up and comer
Reported back to the editor and asked
Do you want the truth or the legend
The editor told him to go with the legend
Looking forward to seeing the documentation on that...As a legendary criminal defense attorney once said: 'proper demonstrable documentation always trumps snowballing hearsay….
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6 minutes ago, mfg said:
No, not the intake …. Actually, it was the Studebaker boys who pirated early Cadillac V8 manifolds, especially the dual quad and triple types.
Thanks for that..I remember having heard something at one point about manifold interchangeability, so that makes sense considering Cadillac's 2X4 and 3X2 setups vs Studebaker's
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The intake manifold..
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SEE PAGE 3, PARAGRAPH 6 (LEFT SIDE OF PAGE)
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21 hours ago, John Hull said:
Sorry guys Loewy contacted Egbert thru an inquiry to Clarance Francis Chairman of the Board Studebaker First
One of the biggest Avanti myths ever Egbert contacted Loewy first makes good press but not true
Have letters and telegrams supporting this from Loewys files
Please be careful with these types of questions etc. as very few people and I'm one knows what really happened and this exercise promotes an untruth
Regards
Interesting......I have different info that is in Raymond Loewy's own words. In an interview with Loewy in 1974, he states that Egbert contacted him on March 9th, 1961, specifically regarding a project that ultimately became known as the Studebaker Avanti.....perhaps RL contacted Egbert via Francis offering his services to be a Studebaker designer yet once again, armed with design ideas and/or sketches for Studebaker prior to that phone call on March 9th, but, from what I'm reading, Egbert contacted Loewy SPECIFICALLY regarding the project that was to become the Studebaker Avanti.
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13 minutes ago, regnalbob said:
March 9, 1961
Correct....
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Happy New Year, everyone....
What date did Sherwood Egbert make the telephone call to Raymond Loewy, asking him to come to South Bend to talk about designing the new sports car that subsequently became known as the Studebaker Avanti?
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15 hours ago, Mark63Avanti said:
If I had seen the question earlier Sherwood Egbert would have been my first choice. He threw himself into saving Studebaker and the Avanti pointed towards the direction a young and vibrant America expressed. Harold Churchill worked magic for a brief time but he came up through the engineering ranks. Albert Erskine tried to move Studebaker in the direction of a low cost/ high volume maker but bankrupted the company. It took son-in-law Fish to move the family in the direction of automobiles in the first place. I suppose Egbert could be considered a prototypical corporate turnaround specialist a la what the 1980's saw but I think he was the spark that Studebaker strangely lacked.
Very well stated...
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Correct on your first guess. At the Studebaker annual stockholder meeting on April 26, 1962 at the Indiana Club in South Bend, Studebaker president Sherwood Egbert spoke about how he had developed the concept of the Studebaker Avanti. At the conclusion of his remarks, the stage curtain behind him swung open to reveal the gorgeous new car. Witnessing Egbert's enthusiasm, Studebaker Corporation Board Chairman Clarence Francis remarked "I judge that Sherwood likes that car". To which Egbert replied "My whole heart is in that car, boy"
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To whom is the following remark attributed to, "My whole heart is in that car" in replying to a high-level Studebaker Executive regarding the Studebaker Avanti ??????
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37 minutes ago, mfg said:
Ah-ha…Right car…. Wrong museum!!!!!!!!
With your depth of knowledge about the Avanti, you were ALMOST correct, even down to the car being an Avanti ll rather than a Studebaker Avanti-it was just simply the wrong venue..
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29 minutes ago, Gunslinger said:
False…it was at the Smithsonian’s Renwick Gallery in 1975. It was about Raymond Loewy’s designs. Renwick Gallery Avanti
Nailed it!...I remember receiving an article about it in some Avanti ll promotional literature some years back, and somehow subsequently always remembered the venue as being MoMA until a debate ensued. It was a '75 Avanti ll on display at a Raymond Loewy exhibition,The Designs of Raymond Loewy,and it was indeed at the Smithsonian in the Renwick Gallery. The Renwick was once a private home, thus the "narrow" passageways that necessitated the '75 Avanti ll being brought in on it's side.
Keep it clean...
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Someone at D'Arcy didn't think that one through......