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4 hours ago, mfg said:
So what's so special about 1964 Studebaker Avanti R-4795?
R 4795 should be a 1963 (near the end), so it must have been sold late to be a 1964.
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4 hours ago, mfg said:
What rather odd occurrence happened on 9/1/63 concerning new Studebaker Avantis?
The closest thing that I can come up with is the Service Letter of 9/27/63 giving the licensing and registration data for 1964 models.
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4 hours ago, mfg said:
As of September 27, 1963 , the list price suggested by Studebaker for their new 1964 Avanti (with standard equipment) was........?.......
1) $ 4,090...........2) $ 4,285..........3) $ 4,445.....or.....4) $ 4,575
In October 1962 the MSRP was $4445, so I am going to say that the price stayed the same for 1964 - 3) $4445.
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The Serial Number can't be "63R 599". It is probably 63R 1599, assembled in October 1962.
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Unusual Avanti II with power windows, four speed and no A/C.
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26 minutes ago, mfg said:
Hmmm....my opinion on your thoughts (for what it's worth) is this.......I doubt there would be a factory serial number on this R3 block if were built as a warranty engine.....We know that Studebaker V8 replacement engines either had a 'cloverleaf' on the serial pad, or nothing there at all.
I also do not believe there would be a factory serial number stamped on it if it originally was , as you say, an "over the counter" engine....There would however be the Paxton stamped "B" number.
I'm quite sure that's the case ("B" number only) with George Krem's R3 engine, which he purchased from Studebaker for his 'Plain Brown Wrapper' years ago.
You make some good points, however there was no warranty on R3 engines (reference; Studebaker Sales Letter 161, 6/10/63).
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6 minutes ago, mfg said:
What Studebaker's original intended use of Rags63 R3 engine was has to one of the most interesting Stude/Avanti related questions to come along in a long time!
The Studebaker factory serial number, R3SM305, stamped on the block must indicate, in my humble opinion, that Studebaker had planned to build a car around this engine.....
But what was that car to be??....A TENTH 'production' R3 Avanti?.....A SECOND 'production' R3 powered 'Lark type'?....Or maybe it would have been a 'production line' R3 powered Gran Turismo Hawk? (What a car THAT would have been!!)
Yes, the question of the original intended use of this rare R3 engine I find to be VERY INTERESTING!.....Ed
Perhaps it was just built for stock in case of failure (no warranty on the R3 engine) of one of the ten originally installed engines. Or, they could have just built one or more for over the counter sales. Isn't that what George Krem did (buy an R3 from Studebaker)? What is the engine number of the engine now installed in his car?
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8 hours ago, mfg said:
False is CORRECT here
(and well said!).....Actually, the acrylic lacquers available today really aren't as good as what Studebaker used on Avantis, as some of the mixing agents formerly used have been phased out due to the EPA.
Even the NCRS Duntov 'Bloomington Gold' super picky judges now accept a 'factory appearing' look, and no longer insist on the original Corvette lacquer exterior finish.
Still, to folks that remember, lacquer exterior paint, applied properly, had an unmistakable gloss that really cannot be duplicated by using otherwise superior modern urethane paints
(IMHO).....Ed
This reminds me of one fancy, non-Studebaker, show that I had a 1953 Commander Starliner at. An "expert" argued with me that the car was not painted with lacquer. I had purchased the lacquer myself and painted the car myself. I did not wet sand the finish down to the very last of the limited "orange peel". I did this on purpose to make it look more like the enamel that the car was built with, rather than lacquer. I know that I did not convince this "expert", but that was ok with me.
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5 hours ago, Stacey said:
I thought they used enamel paints? So I say false
No, the rest of the Studebaker line (Larks, Hawks, trucks) used enamel and Avantis used lacquer. I have done a lot of painting with nitrocellulose lacquer paint. I guess that dates me.
To the question, I will say false, due to the "regularly available" part of the statement.
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There are MANY SDC and AOAI members in New York state. If it is near to me, I will offer to look at it. If not near to me, I may be able to recommend someone else that knows collector cars and Avanti in particular. I have owned three Avantis and worked on many. I am thinking that it is an Avanti that is or was in the Hyde Park/Poughkeepsie area.
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1 hour ago, PackardV8 said:
This car and its value left with her husband's passing. Rather than putting you and us on the hook for guessing a value of a car which which none of us have first hand driving evaluations, suggest she have it cleaned, up ask an Avanti expert to write the description, ending with "running when parked six years ago", list it on Bring-a-Trailer or eBay, take whatever the market offers. Sometimes it will go to OZ or Europe for more than it would bring from the CASOs here in the states.
jack vines
I agree with Jack (a variation on what I had posted). There are MANY SDC and AOAI members in New York state. If it is near to me, I will offer to look at it. If not near to me, I may be able to recommend someone else that knows collector cars and Avanti in particular. I have owned three Avantis and worked on many. I am thinking that it is an Avanti that is or was in the Hyde Park/Poughkeepsie area.
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Deleted erroneous input.
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It appears to be a nice car. One big negative is that it has not been run/driven in years. Who knows what the engine will need and the brakes and supercharger are expensive items to rebuild. You do not say where it is. To me, it appears to have New York State inspection and registration stickers on the windshield. The body is fiberglass, but if it "resided" in the Northeast it may have serious rust in the frame and torque boxes. Especially with out knowing the rust situation, I wouldn't want to estimate a value. I suggest selling it as-is rather than putting time and money into various systems of the car. I suggest putting it on eBay with pictures, a good, honest description and a low starting price (like $1K). The market will let you know what the car's value is today.
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I believe that the prototype was in metal and the production car would be metal and therefore would not have been using; "...'Avanti Only' body parts..."
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It sounds like your steering is not properly centered. It may be at the pittman arm, or more likely, just that someone adjusted the toe in all from one side and did not keep the system balanced (straight).
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1 hour ago, mfg said:
So, Gary and Bob feel the photo of the four door Avanti is actually a 1965 four-door 'Lark' or 'Hawk'....that's a bit of a S-T-R-E-T-C-H, however, they're certainly entitled to their opinion!
It is not just my memory and what Bob says, but what Tom Kellogg said in the interview; "They were all for the regular line of Studebakers. They were not Avantis." That interview with Tom was a short time (about four years) after this work happened. It was to be a Studebaker. There were no Larks or Hawks at that time (1964/1965).
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2 hours ago, KThornton said:
Looking to purchase gold '63 R2 4-speed, very good to excellent condition
I do not know how many were built, let alone how many are still in existence and available for sale. I know, there only needs to be one. Good luck on your quest.
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27 minutes ago, mfg said:
So now you're saying an Avanti isn't a passenger car??
........What is it then...a washing machine???????
No, I am saying that this design was meant to be a new line of Studebaker passenger cars, not part of an Avanti line.
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9 hours ago, mfg said:
What a NICELY detailed Avanti engine!!
I agree. It just needs an overflow hose.
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21 hours ago, mfg said:!
I read that print as being a Studebaker "pass. car", not an Avanti.
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2 hours ago, mfg said:
Whatever you say Gary!
I know that you want to have the last word, but what happened here is your confusion of singular and plural tenses (has happened in the past).
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16 minutes ago, JavierB said:
curious if there are any updates on getting Avanti II recaro seats? Or another matching seat that would allow for shoulder belt harness.
Not a "matching seat", but many use Chrysler Sebring convertible seats due to their built in shoulder belts.
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15 minutes ago, mfg said:
Good try Gary
, however, regardless whether the installer uses the fender or the door location,....the fact is Studebaker furnished an installation template (which was packed inside the AC-3310 mirror box) which 'nails down' an EXACT location on the body of the car.
Once again, your initial answer of true is INCORRECT!
NO, it does not "...'nail down' an EXACT location..." It nails down two locations.
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49 minutes ago, mfg said:
Sorry, true is incorrect!
.....Studebaker actually issued two different templates....one for fender mounting, and one for door mounting!
Yes, I agree with that. That is why I said true. Your initial statement included; "...a specific 'factory' location...". Your use of a makes it singular, when in fact there were two locations, as I stated.
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Posted · Edited by studegary
i don't think that it was the first thing, but early on he dropped the II from Avanti. EDIT: answer 3