mfg Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Studebaker offered only one 'Avanti Gold' exterior color for the '63-'64 Avantis.....True?
schuyler Posted February 21, 2015 Report Posted February 21, 2015 Yes, and it was Avanti Gold Metallic # 7003-BD. Dupont Lucite. This applies to 1963. I am not sure if 1964 was the same.
mfg Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Posted February 21, 2015 schuyler says True,.....Any other opinions on this question?
mfg Posted February 22, 2015 Author Report Posted February 22, 2015 Apparently, Studebaker offered two 'Avanti Golds'....The PPG 'AVANTI GOLD' paint page from '63-'64 indicates this,....But I'm not sure of what the actual difference in the final color was! 1) 'AVANTI GOLD'...PPG mix code # 21530------------------- 2) 'AVANTI GOLD POLY'...PPG mix code # 22480 Different code numbers indicate slightly different colors...Answer to question...FALSE!
brad Posted February 22, 2015 Report Posted February 22, 2015 No actually, it means two different people from PPG mixed two different formulas at two different times. The ORIGINAL R-M lacquer was one formulation.
mfg Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Posted February 23, 2015 No actually, it means two different people from PPG mixed two different formulas at two different times. The ORIGINAL R-M lacquer was one formulation. No brad, two different formulations could easily be produced from DIFFERENT paint companies, but two different formulations of the same code (color) would never occur from the same company....unless there was a specific reason!.....With some 'digging' we'd probably find that R-M also had two different 'Avanti Golds' during the production run of the Studebaker Avanti!
brad Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) I can pull up codes for colors that have 12 different formulations for the same color. They are called variance chips. You can get different colors from the same mix if you spray it differently. I have probably painted over 2OO2 vehicles in my career. You don't just buy paint and spray it and expect it to match. It will not happen. Many, many times these "variances" are totally different toners off the mixing bank, not just different amounts of the same toner. Edited February 23, 2015 by brad
mfg Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Posted February 23, 2015 I understand that brad, as I have probably painted over 2001 vehicles in my career..But you're incorrect if you feel this second formula is a color 'variance'...You see, color 'variances' are slight changes to an original paint formula. (or mix) What we're speaking of here is an entirely different formula (or mix)...(Nice try though!)
regnalbob Posted February 24, 2015 Report Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Apparently, Studebaker offered two 'Avanti Golds'....The PPG 'AVANTI GOLD' paint page from '63-'64 indicates this,....But I'm not sure of what the actual difference in the final color was! 1) 'AVANTI GOLD'...PPG mix code # 21530------------------- 2) 'AVANTI GOLD POLY'...PPG mix code # 22480 Different code numbers indicate slightly different colors...Answer to question...FALSE! The formula called for from Studebaker is what the paint companies use.The paint was mixed according to this formula. Different code numbers are used for the type of paint -- lacquer, acrylic lacquer or enamel. Only one Avanti Gold was available. The dealer did not have two color chips of Avanti Gold to show a customer. If the dealer or body shop had to repaint or touch up how would they know which one to use if there were two formulas? Unless you have a build sheet, window sticker, factory formula or a sticker from under the glove box to show something different than P-6333 or P-6433 there is only one Avanti Gold. http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/chipdisplay.cgi?year=1964&manuf=Studebaker&smodel=Studebaker&info=&page=9 http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/chipdisplay.cgi?year=1964&manuf=Studebaker&smodel=Studebaker&info=&page=4 Edited February 24, 2015 by Regnalbob
mfg Posted February 24, 2015 Author Report Posted February 24, 2015 Actually Bob, both these numbers are for PPG (Ditzler at that time) 'Duracryl' acrylic lacquer paint.....Don't forget now...the second formula indicates 'Poly'. 'Avanti Turquoise' is another problematic color...Both PPG and Dupont only have one paint mix formula for this color....but their end results are 'Night and Day' believe me!
mfg Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Posted February 26, 2015 UPDATE on this trivia question.......I phoned an auto body paint supply house yesterday that sells 'PPG'. I was told that the 'Avanti Gold' color itself would most probably be exactly the same from either mix....but 'Poly' would indicate the second formula (mix) may stand up to the elements (sun, rain) longer than the first one would. (More durable paint) This info is probably correct, as I do remember that factory paint jobs on original Studebaker Avantis painted 'Avanti Gold' seemed to 'wash out' (fade) rather quickly.
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