Rick Allen
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23 minutes ago, 64studeavanti said:
If you enlarge the picture, it really does look like the serial number is raised. Could this be an attempt at re-numbering a replacement block?
Yes it does appear to be raised rather than stamped in, it's in the usual position on the block where you would expect to find the engine number, I understand that the engines were hand stamped in the factory so I guess there was no real uniform pattern for the numbers and the pattern could vary from block to block.
6 years ago the car was pulled from a garage where it sat for 35 years and the engine was pulled for a rebuild, the odometer showed 57,000 mi and the condition of the car seemed to reflect that mileage. Both the body and serial number matched the production order paperwork, as well as the engine number,,,
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I know the engine #'s for the supercharger 289 Avanti engine started with RS and then s letter and 2 numbers if I'm not mistaken, but were the numbers stamped into the block or were they raised up? Attached is a picture of a Supercharged engine and it "almost" looks like the numbers are raised, rather than stamped into the block; or is it the way the picture was taken? If you enlarge the picture as I did, you may be able to see what I am talking about,,,
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WOW, great, I never noticed the difference before, I like the placement on the '63 better, looks more symmetrical to me but either one says "AVANTI",,,
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45 minutes ago, pantera928 said:
And as I was recently informed, the placement of the word AVANTI was changed on the front of the car
Didn't know that, wonder if anyone can/will post pictures of a '63 and '64 side by side shown from the front?,,,
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Ok, I've heard that before and it makes sense the way things were back then. So, now I ask, are you referring to a an unsold '63 car that's sitting on a dealer's lot into '64 or an unsold '63 at the factory yard not sold or shipped to a dealer, or both? Thanks, keep the information coming,,,
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42 minutes ago, mfg said:
Yes, that's a question which always stirrs up debate.......
A good friend of mind owned R4943....a round light Avanti with no cowl grill and '63 'small' parking lamps...yet this Avanti has a '64 all black interior with black carpeting, round console knobs, woodgrain steering wheel, dash, console, etc....
Definitely a 'transition model' Avanti!
Yes, I know how it is I'm in a similar situation; is/was your friend's car titled as a '63 or '64; seems with that production # is would be a '63?,,,
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Can anyone confirm the vin or production #s of the 30, running changes made in 1963 production, which were referred to as the "1963 1/2" Avanti, either the starting or finishing number? Some sources list as 4808 to 4837, and the last '63 produced as 4893 (or 92)?
So if those numbers are correct then Studebaker produced 56 more 1963 models before the 1964 cars started production?
Lot of confusing information to there to unravel.
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10 hours ago, Gunslinger said:
Yes…all Avanti disc brakes were power assisted.
I’ve never seen a ‘63 or ‘64 Avanti that didn’t come with chromed valve covers as standard. Photos of prototypes show painted valve covers but they would have been swapped to chrome before being given new serial numbers and other upgrades before being sold in 1964. The valley cover was originally chromed and changed to painted black.
Thank you for clearing that up; I read that the "valve lifter covers" were changed from chrome to black, guess because "covers" was plural, I was thinking valve covers, not lifter cover, see attached,,,thanks
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Among a variety of other changes, some very noticeable and some not so noticeable, it seems in '64 Studebaker went from chrome plated to painted valve covers so what color were they painted in '64?
Also, I see on several websites listing standard and optional equipment that disc brakes are listed as standard (which I knew) but no mention of power brakes as being std. and power brakes are not listed as optional, so all Avanti with disc brakes also were power brakes?
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I guess what I should also have asked was, on the data plate on the passenger frame rail, would a R2 car number start with RS- and then the production # or just an R- and the number?,,,
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With regard to the body tag located on the top passenger inner fender on the '63/'64 Avanti, I know they would start with either 63 or 64 but what do the other letters/numbers indicate? Are there certain designations for an R1 or R2 car is what I am interested in knowing,,
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4 hours ago, mfg said:
If the full flow engine you've found does not work out, I have an extra 'bare' 289 full flow block which has been cleaned and inspected I'd sell for a reasonable price.
Thank you, I will consider that when deciding what to do,,,
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1 hour ago, Nelson said:
Well at least save the original block.
Absolutely!
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Thank you for your suggestion, I agree about the matching #s but I worry about that type of repair, I plan a complete rebuild and don't want another failure/crack after going through all that work and expense,,,
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Thanks for your suggestion; I know of a '63/289 4bbl that's available, so that would be the same engine block as my '63 R2 and I wouldn't be sacrificing anything, nickel content the same in the R2 as in other late 289s, etc.?,,,
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Block is cracked, starts below the freeze plug but doesn't start at the freeze plug, I don't have much faith in repairs like this holing up or failing at another area again! That being said, is the oil flow the only difference in the 2 blocks and can the '61 block be converted in some way to be full flow,,,thanks for your reply!
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I need to replace my '63 R2 block and have a '61 289 block from a Hawk, can anyone tell me if there are any differences between the 2 blocks and if so, what are they?,,,
SUPERCHARGED ENGINE NUMBERS
in 1963-64 Avanti
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I have enlarged the picture of the engine number, so looking at this picture, is the consensus still that it is stamped, with an illusion of being raised, or "could" it be raised?
Also, who can tell me:
If an engine is replaced under warranty, how did Studebaker identify an engine in that circumstance? Did they have a special coded number (?), they would have at least had to stamp it as to the cu. in. letter and perhaps an R or RS for Avanti engines; or could they have re-stamped the original engine number to correspond with the production order/ build sheet? And if that were the case, did they have a way to raise the numbers up to identify it as replacement engine?
Of course this is all speculation on my part but when I get back to where the block is stored, I will try, at least for my own satisfaction, to take a picture at more precise angle!