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18 hours ago, VtMike said:
I put the question marks there because I couldn't understand the question. But I now realize that the reason I couldn't understand the question is because I wasn't reading it closely enough. My bad.
You aren't bad...it's my 'dry' sense of humor that's sometimes bad!
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10 hours ago, r1lark said:
Isn't this the Avanti that Joe Granatelli swapped the big Caddy V8 into? Not sure on engine size, whether it was a 429 or 472 cubic inch.
Yep, that's the answer!
(a 429)
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9 hours ago, Gunslinger said:
While advertising is usually full of hyperbole, Goodyear, in this ad, claimed the first thing Steve Blake changed was the tires. The ad also shows the "II" already dropped from the Avanti name...so it begs the "chicken and the egg" type of question.
And this ad is where the question came from!,,,,#4,'Tires' is the answer....WELL DONE!
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26 minutes ago, VtMike said:
???
Sorry, a series of question marks are not correct!
Any other thoughts here?
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24 minutes ago, VtMike said:
Well, it seems obvious that # 3 would have been a very early change, but I sense that answer is too obvious . . . so will take a really wild guess and say #1.
Sorry, outside mirrors are not correct
, however, you are correct thinking 'nameplate' is to obvious!
So, is it #2 or #4??
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So what's so special about 1964 Studebaker Avanti R-4795?
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After Steven Blake purchased the Avanti Motor Corporation, the FIRST thing he changed on the car was the......?......
1) Outside mirrors......2) Front seats........3) Nameplate......or.......4) Tires
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For the 1964 model year, which had a higher suggested list price.....An R1 Avanti powered Daytona Wagonaire or an R1 Avanti powered Gran Turismo Hawk? (all other options equal)
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What rather odd occurrence happened on 9/1/63 concerning new Studebaker Avantis?
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As of September 27, 1963 , the list price suggested by Studebaker for their new 1964 Avanti (with standard equipment) was........?.......
1) $ 4,090...........2) $ 4,285..........3) $ 4,445.....or.....4) $ 4,575
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26 minutes ago, 63avantigold said:
The tag riveted to carb says this is a sealed carburetor
service only per instructions & specifications in Avanti workshop manual.
GREAT!!
......Since your intention is to re-supercharge your Studebaker Avanti, you're very fortunate the original R2 carb is still on the engine.....Those carbs are getting hard to find, and EXPENSIVE when you do find one for sale.
The irony here is that all the time your Avanti has been driven with the R2 carb and no supercharger, it really hasn't run as good as it would have with an R1 type carb, as the sealed carb is jetted differently (richer) so it's compatible with the extra volume of air delivered from the blower......Not to mention constantly wasting fuel!
PS.....You may also want to check that the correct supercharger heads are still on the engine (they probably are)..... and also look for a metal 'ribbon' type tag fastened to the base of the distributor to confirm you still have the correct R2 type distributor.
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1 hour ago, 63avantigold said:
I only have what is currently on the vehicle. What would be the identifier on the carb as to whether it is R1 or R2 specific?
The quickest "identifier" would be a metal tag riveted to the front of the air horn with the wording.....'ATTENTION, THIS IS A SEALED CARBURETOR'! (R2)
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21 hours ago, brad said:
I bought some from TCP Global, and had a very hard time getting it to lay down and shine. The old Lucite was far better. Although this did buff out, it should have been better to start with. If you order from them....get a lot extra, and really lay it on, because you will be cutting most of it off. I think most of the problems can be traced back to the thinner which is reformulated for lower VOC.
Yes, new lacquer paints really aren't what Lucite, Duracryl, etc. used to be
..... however, I 'get' the environmental concerns.
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Title or not, your aunt and uncle's Studebaker Avanti most certainly has value....although it may take something like an e-bay auction to determine what that value is!
There are folks who live as far away as Australia who purchase these cars frequently.....especially the original '63-'64 Studebaker supercharged models.
By the way, is the car an automatic or a 4 speed?
PS....I think your Avanti's serial number may be 63R 1599.....Ed
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8 hours ago, studegary said:
This reminds me of one fancy, non-Studebaker, show that I had a 1953 Commander Starliner at. An "expert" argued with me that the car was not painted with lacquer. I had purchased the lacquer myself and painted the car myself. I did not wet sand the finish down to the very last of the limited "orange peel". I did this on purpose to make it look more like the enamel that the car was built with, rather than lacquer. I know that I did not convince this "expert", but that was ok with me.
I guess I had a rare moment of brilliance back in 1990 when I refinished my 1963 Studebaker Avanti (63R1379) using Dupont 'Lucite" acrylic lacquer! (Avanti Turquoise)
Realizing at the time it's always good to get a 'little extra paint' from the original mix in case of a future need for touch-up.... I ordered an extra 'TWO GALLONS'!!
Fast forward to today, as that same Lucite '4444L' can no longer be purchased with that same chemical content, I can now rest assured I have plenty of the BEST automotive lacquer for a future touch up, or even for a entire refinish job!!
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On 7/5/2020 at 6:09 PM, regnalbob said:
That engine would have been used in an Avanti.
An R3 used in a Lark or Hawk would have a JTR3S prefix.
George Krem's R3 has a Studebaker factory engine number, R3SK312.
As Mr. Krem purchased his R3 engine from Studebaker several months after the closing, this info helps confirm my contention that 'R3SM305' and 'R3SK312' were both destined for 'production line' installation.
......... (Unfortunately Studebaker ran out of time!)
Also, I disagree with your assuming that either engine would necessarily have been used in an Avanti, as R3 'factory install' engine serial numbers were no doubt separate from the garden variety R1's and R2's.
The one and only 1964 'production line' R3 Commander is a good example of that, with factory R3 engine number of R3-SN320...... Paxton # B-47.
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37 minutes ago, studegary said:
there was no warranty on R3 engines.
Yes, that's true.....so I guess if one of the ten 'factory production' R3 powered Studebakers (or even the one and only R4 'production' Daytona) had a low mileage engine failure, the original owners of these rare cars would have been ON THEIR OWN!!
So, there's no reason for a 'factory' serial number to have been stamped onto Rags63 R3 engine other than Stude's intention to use that engine in a vehicle which they (unfortunately) ran out of time to build
...... A "B" Paxton number..... 'yes'..............A Studebaker factory engine serial number.....'no'!
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15 minutes ago, studegary said:
Perhaps it was just built for stock in case of failure (no warranty on the R3 engine) of one of the ten originally installed engines. Or, they could have just built one or more for over the counter sales. Isn't that what George Krem did (buy an R3 from Studebaker)? What is the engine number of the engine now installed in his car?
Hmmm....my opinion on your thoughts (for what it's worth) is this.......I doubt there would be a factory serial number on this R3 block if were built as a warranty engine.....We know that Studebaker V8 replacement engines either had a 'cloverleaf' on the serial pad, or nothing there at all.
I also do not believe there would be a factory serial number stamped on it if it originally was , as you say, an "over the counter" engine....There would however be the Paxton stamped "B" number.
I'm quite sure that's the case ("B" number only) with George Krem's R3 engine, which he purchased from Studebaker for his 'Plain Brown Wrapper' years ago.
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What Studebaker's original intended use of Rags63 R3 engine was has to one of the most interesting Stude/Avanti related questions to come along in a long time!
The Studebaker factory serial number, R3SM305, stamped on the block must indicate, in my humble opinion, that Studebaker had planned to build a car around this engine.....
But what was that car to be??....A TENTH 'production' R3 Avanti?.....A SECOND 'production' R3 powered 'Lark type'?....Or maybe it would have been a 'production line' R3 powered Gran Turismo Hawk? (What a car THAT would have been!!)
Yes, the question of the original intended use of this rare R3 engine I find to be VERY INTERESTING!.....Ed
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9 hours ago, r1lark said:
This is a tricky one.
Acrylic Lacquer automotive paint is available from both TCP-Global (their 'Restoration Shop' paint line), as well as Dupli-Color (their 'Paint Shop' line). TCP-Global will custom mix paint to match 'old car' colors, but I am pretty sure Duplicolor does not. I cannot personally vouch for the quality of these paints, since I have not used them.
I don't think you can go to your local automotive paint store and get acrylic lacquer paint anymore, but obviously it can be ordered online from specialty suppliers as noted above. So, what constitutes "readily available"? Each person most likely will have a different opinion of what "readily available" means, but here it will be what Ed's opinion of "readily available" means!
I'll say the answer to this question is "false", since you can't just walk into a local auto paint store and pick up acrylic lacquer paint the same day. And most likely folks with a California address can't order it online from specialty suppliers either.
False is CORRECT here
(and well said!).....Actually, the acrylic lacquers available today really aren't as good as what Studebaker used on Avantis, as some of the mixing agents formerly used have been phased out due to the EPA.
Even the NCRS Duntov 'Bloomington Gold' super picky judges now accept a 'factory appearing' look, and no longer insist on the original Corvette lacquer exterior finish.
Still, to folks that remember, lacquer exterior paint, applied properly, had an unmistakable gloss that really cannot be duplicated by using otherwise superior modern urethane paints
(IMHO).....Ed
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3 hours ago, studegary said:
No, the rest of the Studebaker line (Larks, Hawks, trucks) used enamel and Avantis used lacquer. I have done a lot of painting with nitrocellulose lacquer paint. I guess that dates me.
To the question, I will say false, due to the "regularly available" part of the statement.
False is CORRECT for the reason you mention.
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9 hours ago, Stacey said:
I thought they used enamel paints? So I say false
As Gary states, Studebaker used enamel paints on the Larks, Hawks, and truck line...but used acrylic lacquers on the Avantis.
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Acrylic lacquer paint, the original exterior paint which Studebaker used on the 1963-'64 Avantis, is still readily available......True?
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I'd suggest that if you purchase this Studebaker Avanti and then decide to fire up the engine right away, first remove the supercharger drive belts, and deal with supercharger (cleaning, internal inspection) as a separate issue.
The R2 four-speed Stude Avantis are getting quite collectable (and valuable).....Good luck!.....Ed
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