Palantirion
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I am removing the front windshield from my '64 Avanti and the shop manual says I should first remove the wipers arms and/or assemblies. But doesn't tell me how. Anyone know how?
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The colors made available by Studebaker for the Avanti were limited...
Avanti White
Avanti Grey
Avanti Turquoise
Avanti Gold
Avanti Red (two different reds depending on when the car was built, but both were shades of maroon, though one was more red)
Avanti Black (special order)
There were no silvers, Ermine White or any other colors Studebaker painted Avantis in. Any other colors were done after it left the factory. Avanti Motor Corporation would paint the cars in any automotive color available the purchaser wanted.
When I owned a '63 and had it painted, the paint shop found numerous colors under the turquoise it was wearing. That's when I found out the car was originally Avanti Grey. When I eventually obtained a copy of the build sheet, Avanti Grey was confirmed as the original color.
-Thank you. I must have been looking at a Studebaker paint chart for '63, not the Avanti chart.
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Why not simply put an Avanti mirror on the car? Good repops are available from the Avanti vendors. When my '70 went through reconstruction I eliminated the AMC unit and used the original design to get the car closer to its roots while updating other things.
I understand your desire for nostalgia but rechroming the current mirror and replacing then glass would run significantly more than buying a the original design.
The bad thing about finding a good design that mounts on the door is that many designs conflict with the wing vent when it's open.
Cost < nostalgia. There were 3 things dad did to the Avanti that, I realize now, are somewhat unussual and made the car look much better when combined. 1) The mirror 2) Blacking out the gray parts of the hubcaps 3) Wide whitewalls. I want to keep that combination intact regardless of any other changes to the car.
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I was trying to remove the bumpers from the brackets, since I have no reason to take the brackets off the car. Just taking them off for re-chroming.
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Been searching through the almighty internet and still can't find it. But I found some that are close, or might be a good fit in the same location on an Avanti.
60s Ford truck:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Chrome-1960s-Ford-car-truck-side-mirror-G-100021-/121222390146
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Side-Mirror-Rat-Rod-Antique-Vintage-Car-or-Truck-/301003079005
Look closely and you will see one that is almost identical without the lines:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-and-vintage-car-and-truck-mirrors-/200991770395
Not like it, but strikes me as a good fit with Avanti Aesthetics:
And:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/94888561/vintage-car-side-rear-view-mirror-chrome
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That's definitely a '63...it's way out of range of the transitional round headlight '64 cars. As I said, it must have been an unsold car that was reregistered as a '64 by the dealer.
Thank you very much for the info.
Also, I noticed yesterday that the paint color under the outside rear view mirror was Ermine White. Apparently the car was repainted Avanti White without the mirror removed. BUT, unlike what the sanding uncovered on the C pillar, there was no black layer between the two whites. So I don't know what to make of that. Could the black be an adhesive or primer used in a revious C pillar repair?
There was also no light gray color between the Silver Mist and Ermine White under the mirror. So perhaps that light gray was a primer (looks like gray primer) used in some areas between the original factory color and the presumed dealer repaint.
My deduction at this point is that the car was originally Silver Mist, repainted at the dealer level Ermine White, sold to the guy my dad bought the car from, then the mystery mirror was added (http://www.aoai.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2796), then my dad had the car repainted Avanti White to match a '63 he had bought for his then-wife.
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No special tools required just lay on your back ( or if you're fortunate enough to have a lift handy) with a socket & a short extension and ...go for it. I just did it myself when I had all the bumpers re-plated !!
-We must be talking about different nuts. The ones I'm looking at have barely enough space between them and the bumper to get an open wrench on them. But the angle needed is blocked by the car's body. I don't suppose you took pics when you removed your bumpers? Been trying to find a DIY online with no success.
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LOL, sometimes it really is the most obvious approach. Thank you very much. I had assumed that technique would have had some negative effect on wiring or something. Anyway, thanks again..I am off to try it.
p.s. How many turns should it take? Are the threads integral to the body, or is there a nut in the trunk?
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After a great deal of stuggle I just can't figure out how to get a wrench on the 4 (3/4" if I remember correctly) outboard bumper nuts (2 front, 2 rear). The ones that attach the ends of the bumpers through the rubber shims to the bracket. Is there a special tool for this, like an offset wrench?
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I always worry about breaking something, so I'll ask this in advance. I want to remove the antenna base. What is the bast way to do this? 1964 Avanti.
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I'm glad to see its meeting with approval. Now if we can just figure out where it came from...
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Without knowing your car's serial number, it's likely a '63 that was titled as a '64. Studebaker instructed dealers to register unsold '63 inventory as '64 model year cars. That's quite common among Studebaker Avantis. That's allegedly the reason Studebaker dropped the "63" prefix on the serial numbers and simply went with "R-xxxx" in place of "63R-xxxx".
There's a limited number of true '64 round headlight Avantis before the changeover to the square headlight bezel and a host of other changes. It's something like eighty cars that are true transition '64 cars with a mix of early and updated parts. As I said...'63s rebranded as '64s are much more common.
I thought the s/n was R3785B, or am I wrong?
Thanks for the other info. I'll see what info the Studebaker Museum has.
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So I got my early '64 Avanti from my dad, without much in the way of explanations prior to his passing. I do know that he had this mirror moved from the original Avanti locations, but more strange is that it is obviously not an Avanti mirror. Now, I am planning on reinstalling the mirror after re-chroming and new glass in dad's location. Partially for nostalgia, and partly because it worked really well in that location. My question is, does anyone know what car this mirror came from? These are the best pics I have until I get it back from the chromer.
Stem:
Close-up without glass:
Note stem and glass housing in tray at the chromers:
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You called it. The first, darker gray is metallic. So now the question is what and when are the other colors.
My best guess is that Silver Mist was the original factory color. The lighter gray shown may be primer, or might be Seabeach Sand if I'm looking at the online paint chips correctly. Then Ermine White, Midnight Black and either Astra or Avanti White on top.
If the third layer is primer, then might that mean that the subsequent colors were non-dealer-applied? IE: post-sale?
p.s. This is an early '64 (round headlight) and has '63 style c-pillar interior trim, so I'm not sure if this might change which exterior colors would have been in use at its time of sale.
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I am starting the process of restoring/painting my early '64 Avanti. There are a few small cracks in the body that I am planning to fix. I sanded one of these, behind the PS C pillar, to see how far it went and was surprised to discover more layers of color than I expected. My dad bought the car as the second owner, and he never repainted it. As you can see in the pic there is the fiberglass, then dark red, then medium gray, then light gray, then off-white, then black, then white. Jason from OCS told me the red was an adhesive spray, the dark gray was a high buildup primer and the medium gray was a finishing primer. He told me it was not uncommon for dealers to repaint new Avantis to different colors based on customer demand, and thus supposed that most likely the off-white was its original color, and the black and final white were factory colors painted on when the car was still undelivered. I welcome other opinions.
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For some reason, a number of Avanti's have the "B" added to the VIN. There's been speculation why, but I don't know if anyone has uncovered the real reason.
Your car is definitely a '63. The tail light lenses reflect the year they met federal regs that pertain to them. In fact, my '70 Avanti has tail light lenses that have '62 molded into them. As long as there's no redesign of the lens or federal regs change, a manufacturer can use the same lens indefinitely. Actually, I've never seen an Avanti with the original design lenses that weren't 1962 marked. Studebaker must have made a ton of such parts as Avanti Motors used them for many years. Outside of the engine and few other items, my '70 was probably 95% left over Studebaker parts when it was made.
Hmmm, it's registered as a '64, according to the DMV. Could be that there was a mistake made long ago. Which VINs were the early '64 with the round headlights?
Thanks for the taillight info. Good to know.
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The VIN plate on a Stude Avanti is on the top of the frame rail on the passenger side of the car. Look under the hood, under the area where the blower fan is and you should see it. It may well be covered in oil and grease that needs wiping off. The plate should say "Studebaker Corporation" and underneath that line, either "63R-XXXX" or simply "R-XXXX", depending on when the car was assembled.
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-Thanks! I found it. says R-3785, although my registration says R-3785B. I don't know where the "B" comes from, as it's not on the plate. From the production chart I've seen online this means that my Avanti was produced in March of '63. What model year does this make the car, '63 or early '64? A friend of mine told me that I have 1962 taillights, as they are stamped with the date, but I don't know if he's correct - or they could have been replaced.
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Where is the VIN plate located on a '63-'64 Avanti. I've check the usual places around the door and jambs, and under the hood. Could be I missed it, could be that it was removed before I got the car. I'm trying to match the VIN on the registration to the VIN on the car, to make sure the registration didn't get switched with another Avanti my dad once owned.
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