James Bond
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in Avanti Pub
All this being said, You can't tell me that at the end of the day, that this isn't most beautiful car ever designed. Fifty years on, and it's better than anything that's rolling off the production line today!
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Yes, and by doing that, in the public's conscience. That should be our primary goal.Yes. I believe it is: "preaching to the choir".
Ownership is personal for each of us. If we want to preserve the breed we need to keep them on the road.
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I couldn't agree more. The fact that it isn't desirable, considering the styling and the rarity, is a continuing mystery to me. That being said, I think a grass roots education campaign about the car would definitely help. When you have a chance, talk your car up. Pique people's interests. You have everything about the car on your side!Rarity in itself does not raise prices. There aren't many surviving 196X brand X base model four door sedans out there..yet the ones that are out there aren't valuable. For the rarity factor to come into play, the car also to be desirable. If we want to increase Avanti values, we need to make people want them.
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Yes "the trend is your friend". So we must change the trend. How do we do that? Drive it, show it, talk about it to those who are interested. We all know we have a undiscovered gem. Let's open the public's eyes as to what we have! You know...let them know too!FWIW, it costs more to restore a '63-64 Avanti than an equivalent '63-64 Corvette, but at auction a Corvette will usually bring 3X the money. In Wall Street, the sayings, "The trend is your friend." also goes here. If one wants to make money, go with the demand curve. However, if it's about appreciating an Avanti for what is, then not seeing them at the belly-button auctions just means they're more affordable for those who love them. On the other hand, that an Avanti will never return a profit on the cost of restoration means fewer will be restored. Life is tradeoffs.
jack vines
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You're right, not everyone will rush out to buy a very limited stock of cars, but I believe the pool of potential buyers is strong. Especially people who want a classic car for not a lot of money. I do believe the seeds are planted!After driving one for a couple of years, I'm not sure that the Avanti is "polarizing" these days. I think time has caught up with Avantis, I never hear anything but positive comments.
Now that doesn't mean that EVERYONE will rush to buy Avantis...there are some practical limitations that will put people off ownership, besides the market for 50 year old orphan luxury performance cars is limited.
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Exactly! I do believe this mobile work of art is on the verge of wedging itself into the general public's psyche. That a general realization of the quality, the design, and the bang for the buck will coalesce into a serious demand of a finite resource. Then what do we do?Unfortunately, "Polarizing" is exactly the term to use for Avanti's design. Being of the vintage to see the response of the public when the Avanti first came out, people loved them or did not care for them. I was in the loved them camp from the first moment I saw them on display at a Farm Progress Show in Morton IL in late September 1962 as a freshman in high school. I bought a 64 R1 in April of my senior year in high school in 1966. I sold the car in 1969 to get a 67 Chevelle SS396 and regretted it for many years, finally getting a 76 'II in January 2011. The past two years I've had a lot of work done on the car and have had a ball with the car. I'll probably hang on to the car until I stop driving. Time has certainly proved the value and timelessness of the car's design. The car outlasting Studebaker through various ownerships for over 43 years is a validation of the design. Please name any other car model that went back into production 2 years after the company stopped making them and continued on for the length of time that Avanti did.
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Agreed. But shouldn't they be desireable, valuable, because of their rarity? I understand the "me too" thing, but what about having something that very few people have...and at a bargain to boot! Don't you think that would start to drive demand?I agree with Jack, but let's also remember that there are fewer 63-89 Avantis in TOTAL then there are on any ONE YEAR of Corvette post 1957. In other words, not many to go around. but the fact is, they're specialized. Lots of guys like "me too" cars...57 Chevys, Mustangs, Chavelles...so that's what you see.
Also, because Avantis are so rare, owners don't need to sell them at expensive big-name auctions...and wit their relatively low vales, it wouldn't be cost effective to sell them there anyway.
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The fact that there were 8800 cars made in it's entire run should mean something. The fact that they ARE rare should boost the price, or am I missing something here about basic economics? Should one show up at an auction, the rarity factor should drive demand. Couple that with the fact of the beautiful design, how could you not want to buy one. As far as "me too" cars, if you saw an Avanti again and again on TV, you'd want one too! Or am I speaking to the choir?I agree with Jack, but let's also remember that there are fewer 63-89 Avantis in TOTAL then there are on any ONE YEAR of Corvette post 1957. In other words, not many to go around. but the fact is, they're specialized. Lots of guys like "me too" cars...57 Chevys, Mustangs, Chavelles...so that's what you see.
Also, because Avantis are so rare, owners don't need to sell them at expensive big-name auctions...and wit their relatively low vales, it wouldn't be cost effective to sell them there anyway.
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I understand what you're saying. And as the Avanti being a "bastard" is also understood. Polarizing, may be a too stern a term, misunderstood is the phrase I'd like to use. Yet you can't deny the design, this car looks as if it roll off the production line today. I do believe the renaissance of the Avanti is at hand. There are a couple sites where Avantis were deemed good values for purchase. And if you look at the back of the quarterly, the prices are creeping up. Keep the faith!
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I'm watching "Mecum Auto Auctions". There are many beautiful cars. But they're all the same! All the cars you would think are there. The Mustangs, the 'vettes, the muscle cars. My question is this...WHY ARE THERE NO AVANTIS!!! I don't have an answer. The only clue I have is something I heard on those antiques shows, it's not the rarity, it's the demand. My question is this...how do we change this? Any clues?
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My 89's has a tendency to detach itself. I used a glue especially made adhere trim. it worked for a couple of years. It's starting to detach again.
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I had my power antenna motor replaced on my 1989 beauty, hoping the radio would work, guess what, it didn't. I want to replace the radio. I'd like a sirius compatible with a usb port. I know they're available, the question is: who do I trust to install it in west central Ct.? If you have any recomendations, let me know. Thanks.
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That would be a nice turn around on the guy's investment if it goes for the BIN price. But I think the bidding will stall out a ways before $22 K. If it were that easy to double one's investment with Avanti's, there would be a lot more people into that business. I don't think many Avanti enthusiasts got an Avanti with the goal of doubling their investment. More often than not, an owners' original investment doubles in the car, getting it in "perfect order". Most owners, like me, get an Avanti for the love of the car, not as a profit maker.
Amen!!
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I've just received a newsletter from Hagerty, it was about ethanol. It was how detrimental it was to older cars. The question is, how old does a car have to be to have to worry about it? Mine is 1989. Do I have to worry about the fuel. Is there anything I can do to ease the damage? Let me know. Thanks.
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Just made a contribution. This is our opportunity to shine and show what a beauty this gem really is! Please consider kicking in a few bucks. It's good for them, it's good for us. It's the right thing to do. Thanks.
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Well, thank you all! My question is answered!
JB
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I have a 1989 beauty. My question is this. Since my frame is a Monte Carlo, (or perhaps a Caprice), do I still have hog troughs? I must admit my ignorance. I really don't know what to look for. Thanks for your help.
JB
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Thanks for your responses.
JB
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I have a 1989 beauty. My question is this. Since my frame is a Monte Carlo, (or perhaps a Caprice), do I still have hog troughs? I must admit my ignorance. I really don't know what to look for. Thanks for your help.
JB
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My drivers power window quit,and started working and now quit again.I have the trim pannel off now. Before I start taking things apart would this be a GM from the donner car. The switch is good it is getting power to the motor. Last year I rebilt the two rear power windows, that was fun. Does.
any one have a proto call for pulling the window and or the motor out.
Thanks
Rich
If it's any consolation, my '89 driver's side window did exactly the same thing Mine is getting power too. I'm going to do a some research. I'll let you know.
JB
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Can anyone give me any information on this vehicle? 12AAV122
1K1000428 Thanks!
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I have a 1989 beauty. I would like to get a build sheet. Does anyone have an idea on how to go about getting one? Thanks.
J.B.
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I believe by that time Avanti Motors was installing front mounting stereos that you can buy at any auto sound shop, Best Buy and Wal Mart. It's going to be far more cost effective to simply buy and install a new stereo...plus a new one will likely be of better quality as well.
I understand what you're saying. But what I want to do is keep my baby as original as possible. That's why I want a replacement. Thanks!
JB
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I have a 1989 beauty. One problem I have is that the radio doesn't work in the FM. I have the original paperwork for the model. Can I get a original replacement? Or can it be rebuilt? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Jeff
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A while ago, I had to change the battery on my baby. Once I connected the positive cable to the battery, it began to whoop and holler. I pressed the "Stop" button on my remote, and everything was okay. I checked the door lock system, it worked. I tried the unlock button...no problem. Once I closed the hood, nothing worked. Any ideas? It's not a very big deal, but I'm curious. Thank you.
JB
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