Anthony63
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I don't want to upset the wagon and can certainly appreciate what has been done to make a "tribute" to the R5. The work that went into building it is very commendable. I believe that the intake boxes, brackets, and pulleys that are on the engine are in fact ones used on the car. However I do know for fact that the block is not the block used for the R5 or any of the potential back up engines. I would have to look through some paperwork to find the exact numbers, but the R5 that was run in 63 had a number stamped on it. I know this because I have a comprehensive list of all the numbers stamped on engine blocks. The R5 that was used and any back up engines that were built all were stamped.
Also somewhere there was mention of the car not getting over 200mph, the car did in fact go over 200. The time slips that Andy had proved that. I believe that somewhere around here I have copies of them. The two way average was obviously not 200 because of poor salt conditions. I'll try and locate those. The cars were run October 14-23 of 63. The original plan was September 16, but conditions were poor.
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I haven't looked at the forum in a while. Mfg, I tried to send you a message about this, but it would not allow me to. Please reach out.
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On 4/28/2023 at 7:56 PM, Nelson said:
Anthony. What do you know about the number 8 Avanti? Was it run at Bonneville at all.? If not, why?
Numbers 8 and 9 were used as test cars and there as potential backups in 1962. In 1963 the 9 car was setup with the final version of the R3 and bumped the record up to 170.78mph. I remember that Andy had said that the 299s ran better and were a better balanced engine than the 304.5. The 8 car was still used for testing but never did run quite right. It was not an overheating issue but I'm not sure what it was. There was a lot of testing so it could have been any number of things. September 16, 1963 the salt conditions were too bad. October 16-23 the salt was wet and they had traction issues and because of this the Due Cento only achieved 198. Somewhere I have copies that Andy gave me of the actual time slips, I'll keep looking. They planned to return but then became the end of Studebaker. So the 9 car was used for record purposes with the R3 since it was running better than the 8 car. So long story short in 62 the Due Cento (which it wasn't named yet) ran the best with the 299 and then in 63 between the 8 and 9, the 9 ran better so was used for the R3 records. I hope that I answered that question.
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Good to know. I had heard that it was removed when John passed.
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The heads on that engine are definitely not those from a Due Cento engine. The Due Cento had domed pistons and therefore had modified combustion chambers on the heads. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but I also want correct information being told. What B number is stamped on that block? It is good to see that the intake components are there. Does anyone know what all the current owner of the car has?
It also seems as though the number 9 car has disappeared. Anyone know of its whereabouts?
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Vince and I were good friends years ago. I helped out around the shop for a while before working for Mercedes-Benz. Also I specifically talked with Andy back in 2012 (around there) about this engine after I saw it at the South Bend meet. All of the Due Cento engines had been stamped, this one was not. Also Andy confirmed that none of the engines had a hole in the cylinder, this one pictured above did. There was an engine for the Due Cento that was blown on the dyno, but it was numbered. Somewhere I think I have a list laying around from Andy of which blocks were R-3s, which were built to be R-4s, and what block numbers were R-5s. He did confirm that the engine above does have one of the original intake systems and pulley setups that was used on the car.
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As far as the Due Cento goes my understanding is that the engine that has been built is a tribute (for lack of better terms) with some of the original intake components.
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True
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Is there any info on the number 8 and the Due Cento?
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So since John Hora passed a few years back, does anyone know what happened to the number 9 car?
I remember reading somewhere that the 9 car had R-3 B-15 in it for Bonneville. Does anyone know if that is what is still in it today?
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Thanks again Dwight. I have looked there as well as some other places. It is helpful for sure, but I was looking for something slightly different.
For instance you say the one R4. Was there only one true R4 made for sale? Those are some questions that I'm interested in knowing the answer to.
Also were the number 8 and 9 cars 299s or 304.5? Or were they both? Were they 299s at first and then changed to 304.5? If they were changed was it with a completely different B number?
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Thanks Dwight. I'll certainly look there. Does anyone know how many R3s were made?
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I was hoping Granatelli had composed a list.
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Is there a list of which engines from Granatelli stating what they made into an R3 or R4 or R5?
For example: B-14 was an R3 ( I'm just using a random B number)
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Sorry newbie here put that question in the wrong thread.
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Is there a list of which numbers were built as R3s vs R4s vs the R5?
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Very nice machining work, and a great idea.
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Here's a picture of one in an Avanti. Not sure who installed it.
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I am trying to figure out how I can put an R3 in my 63 Avanti without installing spacers between the body and chassis. I don't like how they sit with the spacers. Someone told me that I could install shims under the motor mounts. Has anyone ever done this? If so how large of a shim do I need?
Avanti Due Cento!
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I'm not sure how to send messages either! Those panels were made out of metal. There was a complete belly pan as well. The car was run in 63 with several different configurations. Some runs with the full pan and skirts, runs with just the skirts, some with nothing at all, and even down to different wheels.