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Nels,of all the engineering drawings I have collected thru the years, the early version of the cylinder head is one I have yet to acquire. I haven't given up hope yet tho. Did you happen to record which of the B series engines were 299's? And which have the early head? I would love to have that info to add to my collection. And casting date codes if you have saved any of that as well.
Andy, I have at least one engine, maybe two, with two different heads but will have to get those numbers to you at a later date. As far as recording numbers for 299's noted as B engines I will have to refer to memory. B4 and B6 I do remember. I have also noticed that I have never seen a lose set of used R4 pistons in anything but 299 bore diam's.
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The class limit was 305 CID. Studebaker went with the 304.5" to have a slight "fudge factor". Also, the prototype 299" R3 engines were the "A" series and were marked was such. At least one of them has 1 cyl head that carries the casting number that was the precursor to the production R3 head.
The class was five liter displacement which, I believe is 305 ci.
Some B engines were 299 inch. Maybe that was done just to accommodate the production needs for South Bend. I imagine there were some completed and unmarked short blocks on the floor when the decision was made to move up to 304. I doubt Paxton was willing to scrap those engines. Same goes with the heads. I've seen several later R3's with both heads, one on each side. Anybody know if both prints exist for the two heads and what the difference is?
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Nels,it's 63R 1016 you are thinking of rather than 1017. 1016 was "sold" to the PR Dept. and shipped to Los Angeles "for Mr Egbert's use in California" per the Appropriations Order. It was transferred to Paxton and was converted as the R3/Powershift prototype from it's original R2/4speed configuration. It received R3 B27 complete with the correct Transignitor ignition system and the correct style cold air intake setup with a hand made aircleaner. The car was originally equipped with a Hill Holder which was removed as well as having the affected brake lines replaced.
You're right Andy, it was 1016.
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I hate to take away from 1025 but I don't think it is the road test car. I think that car was 1017 unless there was more than one. 1017 is marked on the PO deliver to Paxton, Andy G and Egbert is also written on the PO. It is turquoise/turquoise automatic although originally built as a 4 spd. It has all the signs of R3 such as fresh air induction, correct but crude air cleaner, was equipped with a B # engine. I know the road test "Avantis a Pair" used a turquoise R 3 Avanti but didn't realize the Hot Rod road test car was also turquoise, I always thought it was red with a black interior. I could be wrong about that. Does anyone know for sure about any of this info discussed so far?
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I have a very late 1963 Avanti, serial # 4829, that I would like to sell. The car is now stripped of paint. The original color was gold and the interior is solid black with walnut trim, similar to serial #4892 and later 1964 cars. This interior is original as per the production order. Evidentally Stude built several Avantis like this. I imagine they were styling studies prior to the final 1964 versions. The 1963 "T" handles are used on the console but the plate is walnut along with the other cosole plates and instrument surround. The rear wings still use the 63 style latch. The interior is solid black including roll bar cover, dash pad, doors etc. Pirate buckles are on the tops of the doors like the 64's. The steering wheel is an aftermarket wood wheel. I'm pretty certain the original wheel was solid black as the steering column is black and one other sister car I've seen had a solid black steering wheel.
The car itself is very straight with minor work done above the head light from an accident in the mid 60's. This was redone and looks fine. The rest of the body is virgin....no damage. The frame and hog troughs are perfect, even the rear cross member is nice. The car still has the "ORIGINAL" Avanti style glass packs and 4 spd shifter. The rear gear is still the original 3.73 TT.
I've replaced the valve seals, front main seal, water pump, fuel pump, oil pressure hose, front and rear calipers and wheel cylinders were rebuilt, new pads and shoes, all new rubber brake hoses, new shocks, upper control arm bushings, new tires, new battery, rebuilt carb, rear end pinion seal etc.
The car would be great for someone to take it from here and choose the color they want as any color was available when the black interior was ordered.
What the car will need is chrome, a dash pad, front seat reupolstery, carpet and rubber trim parts/weather strip. Not all of this would be necessary right away depending on your budget.
Equipment on the car is: R1 engine, 4 spd trans, air cond, power steering, 3.73 twin trac rear end. A plus is that the car was ordered with the manual crank windows.
I'd like to get $13500 for the car as it is. I honestly believe it would be a very high dollar car when finished considering the 4 spd ac and the unusual pedigree as a transition car. I just have too many other projects that I need to get to.
Call me at 513 271 8424 or cell is 513 207 2381
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There are 35 64's with round head lights and 64 interior trim, mine is #R4832
You mention 35 Avantis with 64 interior trim but round head lights. Does this include the round hd light cars after 4892? Also, were the ones prior to 4892 always solid black interiors? I seem to remember that they had black steering wheels and some had walnut trim and some the all black trim. This sound right?? I have 4829 that has the walnut trim but I think it originally had a black wheel since the steering column is black. It has pirate buckles on doors etc.
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Hi Max,
Idon't get to this site much myself. I got a note that there was a question on a t56 so I came back to check.
I still haven't installed the t56 or attempted it yet. My other projects seem to take presidence. If you are interested maybe you should email me directly at r4stude@cinci.rr. com.
Nels
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Hi Tom,
The set up uses the Stude flywheel. The clutch plate is the Viper's and the pressure plate is the Stude's. If I remember correctly the Viper input shaft pilot is the same as the Studes(?). I discarded the hyd clutch and took advantage of the machined male pilot in the front of the case where the hyd clutch originally was mounted. I picked up on that diam since it is concentric to the drive line and proceeded from there to make the adapter fit the stude bell housing. Really pretty straight forward. This has not been installed yet as I am busy with summer projects but hope to see if I can get it to fit in the car when the nice weather goes away. I really don't want to cut on the floor or tunnel. At least not much. If I have to I may raise the body a little to get clearance.
Nels
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Max,
Yes, the trans is fully adapted to the Stude. It is not terribly difficult to do if you have some machine shop access. I can go through it with you if you would like.
What serial # is the Avanti? How did you end up with the R3?
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Can l assume the Viper T56 you worked with was fitted to a Studebaker engines, if so its sounds like you have done most of the groundwork already. Getting a Viper T56 here in Australia might be a bit of a problem. I did read somewhere that you could order the a T56 with a variety of differnt input shafts. I might have to question Tremec on this option or if l can purchase the input shaft and parts required to change a standard T56 to the longer input shaft. I can get hold of any number of T56 boxes from our Australin GM Holden as thay have come with the LS1/LS2 engine with T56 six speed for the last 8 years or so. I would be interested in knowing how you fitted the T56 box to the bell housing and what had to made, etc.
Great to here from you, and thanks for the information. When l work out how l can attach pictures l will attach a few pictures of my car.
Thanks
Max
NelsCan l assume the Viper T56 you worked with was fitted to a Studebaker engines, if so its sounds like you have done most of the groundwork already. Getting a Viper T56 here in Australia might be a bit of a problem. I did read somewhere that you could order the a T56 with a variety of differnt input shafts. I might have to question Tremec on this option or if l can purchase the input shaft and parts required to change a standard T56 to the longer input shaft. I can get hold of any number of T56 boxes from our Australin GM Holden as thay have come with the LS1/LS2 engine with T56 six speed for the last 8 years or so. I would be interested in knowing how you fitted the T56 box to the bell housing and what had to made, etc.
Great to here from you, and thanks for the information. When l work out how l can attach pictures l will attach a few pictures of my car.
Thanks
Max
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I also saw the T56 installation in the Avanti II and it got me excited. I researched the various T56 's, talked to Tremec and found the only one that could be adapted to the Stude bell housing was the Viper unit. It has the longest input shaft. It only comes with an electronic speedo pickup but that can be worked around. I then purchased a Viper 6 spd and made the necessary adapter plate etc. After bolting the trans to the adapter I took a good look at it and thought, this is sure big...how the hell will it fit. I just thought since the Avanti II had no fit problems then a Stude Avanti should be about the same. I suddenly realized that the Avanti II's body is jacked up from the frame a significant amount giving lots more tunnel clearance. I still haven't had the time to physically try to fit it in my 64 but will probably get around to that this fall or winter. I'll let you know if I can get it to fit. By the way, the Viper slip yoke is also different than the other t56's. Fortunately I got the Viper drive shaft with the trans. The shift location with the Viper is also pretty close.
WANTED 1964 square light Avanti turquoise/turquoise
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I’m looking for an original paint and original upholstery Avanti. Doesn’t have to be nice right now but able to get to driving condition within a reasonable time frame. Mostly original paint and serviceable interior. Will consider a wide range of conditions as I know there aren’t a ton out there to choose from.
As a side note, I test drove a turq/turq 64 R1 four speed back in the early seventies. It was in Orange, NJ at the time. Anybody know where that car might be? 513207 two three eight one
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