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Gunslinger is correct that the plane was a part of Studebaker's subsidiary ,Trans International Airlines.Now,anyone,is the statement that the Avantis were flown to 24 different cities in 16 days for dealer showings correct? (would have loved to attended that event,Gunslinger!-has there been any progress with the fuselage restoration of the C-82 with TIA's tail number??)
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True or false??........To introduce the new Studebaker Avanti to Studebaker dealers, a Fairchild C-82 transport plane was used to fly 2 Studebaker Avantis around the country for dealer showings in 24 different cities in 16 days.The plane was a part of a Studebaker Corporation subsidiary..........
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Fill in the blanks:...the 1962 Indianapolis 500 featured a Studebaker ............. as the pace car. ..... ........ was the driver of the pace car...The winner of the race, ........ ....... ,was awarded a Studebaker ....... for winning the race.
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Mike Kelly returned to produce the Avanti,forming Avanti Motor Corporation.
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40 minutes ago, studegary said:
This looks like a trick question to me. Studebaker did not pay for the retrofit of rain gutters to already built cars. Customers of earlier cars could pay their dealer to have rain gutters installed. Perhaps there was an estimate of what it would cost if Studebaker paid for the retrofit. If that is what is desired, I will go with 3) $20 per car (the dealer net cost of the kit was $5.).
Bingo!!...you are correct at $20 as the estimated cost,and also correct that Studebaker did not pay for the installation of the rain gutters ,the customer did.Studebaker did ,at a Department heads meeting in early 1963,estimate the cost of such installation,as the Company was considering absorbing the costs of the retrofit. Messrs. Egbert and Minkel were of the opinion the Company should absorb the cost, but,ultimately the decision was made to have the customer pay for the rain gutters and their installation.
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Studebaker management's estimated total cost of retrofitting rain gutters to a customer's Avanti (both parts and labor) was......... 1) $41.00 per car 2) $56.00 per car 3) $20.00 per car..????
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That's certainly a possibility-and R4130 is indeed a fascinating car..thanks for the input,Gunslinger
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Any other thoughts?
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You're right-Studebaker's philosophy was,since they were selling an assembled vehicle,and not just an engine,that they would warranty the car,but not the R3 engine powering the car.
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What was Studebaker's warranty philosophy on their R3 production cars?
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YOU ARE CORRECT!!!
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Thanks,Regnalbob-just still curious why Briggs stated that Mr. Egbert's car was black,not red.- Briggs seemed to have a pretty good recollection of events,and was also an Avanti owner,so he was a "car guy",and car guys usually have a pretty clear picture or vivid recollection of a special (to them!) car. Indeed,in Bob Johnstone's Avanti database,a previous owner listed the Egbert car as R4131,which,coincidentally ,was a black supercharged car.Assumedly R4130 would have replaced the previously mentioned 63R 1252 for Mr. Egbert, R4130 being a later car. Perhaps the build sheet of 63R 1252 (the "original" Egbert Avanti) giving it's specifics might clear up the mystery,and it might be that Mr. Egbert kept the first,and owned two Avantis,simultaneously,and the black Avanti that Briggs describes in his article was NOT R4130.... if the 63R 1252 build sheet does not match Briggs' description of the black supercharged Avanti he was offered just before Mr. Egbert's passing,does anyone have any thoughts as to the color discrepancy ????????
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What feature choice on the 1963 Studebaker Avanti was mandated by the States of California and New Jersey?
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MFG-I found your post,and see that a relatively early production R2 ,63R-1252, is listed as an Avanti owned by Mr. Egbert.The red 1964 Avanti,R4130 ,is a much later car,and is generally known as the car that Mr. Egbert sold just before his passing-yet the R2 car described by Briggs as being offered to him by Mr. Egbert just before his passing was stated to be black in color.Adding to the confusion,there were actually TWO build sheets prepared by Studebaker for serial number R4130-one build sheet describes a red car,yet the other that was also listed as R4130,but "penciled in" as R4131 (over the typed R4130 number) sheets
is BLACK in color.(build sheets attached)..Just wondering what the story is!!!!
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I would have to guess Andy,the promoter!
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That's a logical name for the program,but incorrect,sorry..
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The name of the program that the Studebaker Corporation had for their dealers to initially prepare their dealerships for the introduction of the Avanti was: (hint - 3 words)
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Working out MFG production-line fiberglass body assembly flaws?
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In a summer,1977 Avanti magazine,there is an article "Father of Them All" (attached) ,written by a Stan Briggs, who had been a tennis pro at the Bel Air Country Club,as well as a member of AOAI at the time the article was written.Briggs wrote that in the spring of 1965 Mr. Egbert had been advised by his doctor to play tennis for exercise. Briggs,the Pro at the club, played tennis with Mr. Egbert for a period of about three months,until the pressure of Mr. Egbert's consulting firm left him no time to play, Briggs subsequently gave lessons to Mr. Egbert's wife Diana,and two of their sons.Briggs was also an Avanti owner and enthusiast,owning a turquoise 1963 Avanti,. Briggs tells the story of Mr.Egbert,in early 1969, looking tired and having lost weight,pulling up in his supercharged BLACK Avanti that was equipped with a tape recorder and a tape deck, and asking Briggs "would you like to buy my Avanti?".Briggs,already owning an Avanti,and his wife owning a Mustang,politely declined the offer, to his regret later.
I'm pretty familiar with R4130,the red (red,per production order) Avanti known as the Egbert car that was sold at Mecum a few years back.But Briggs description of Mr. Egbert's car being black,as well as having the other features he describes ,begs the question,were there two Egbert Avantis?..Any thoughts????
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Yes-John was indeed one of the designers-he told me the story of how primitive the working conditions actually were at Pichon-Parat,where he oversaw the prototype fabrication It was actually an old barn where the prototypes were fabricated and John also relayed the story of having to put out a fire in one of the prototypes that was caused by a careless metal shaper there that almost resulted in one of the prototypes being destroyed...now-who was the second designer,and where did the actual design work (not fabrication) take place?
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Have to bump this ... Midland-Ross?
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Gary-looking for the names of the 2 designers who did the design work for the prototypes,as well as where they designed the car (a similar scenario to the Palm Springs "design house" ) -and you are most certainly correct about the fabrication of those prototypes being done by Pichon-Parat.
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Just corrected the question to "designed",not "fabricated"
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Where were the 2 Avanti prototypes-the Notchback and Fastback that were to be the basis for the 1964 passenger car lines-designed?...And which 2 designers did the design work at this particular location?
1962 Indy 500
in Avanti Trivia
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Correct!!!!!.....And the driver's name was Sam Hanks...Wasn't that R1 car for sale a few years back??