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I think he also did a report on the end of the flying wing, the YB49 by Jack Northrop.
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Based on psdenno's info I would estimate $34,884 for the same Avanti today. An interesting figure when pricing a reconditioned Studebaker Avanti today.
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Production records show 67 3 speed R1 Avanti's were made as '63's and 11 for '64. The Hill Holder/ No Creep was a option for both 4 speed and 3 speed cars. 18 of the 67 '63's had the Hill Holder option and none of the 11 '64's. An R2 with a 3 speed would not have been a regular production car.
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With at least 6 different versions made for R2 applications and the Avanti using existing stock until late '63, I say True. Thank you Turning Wheels.
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Production records show R-5089 as the first production R3 Avanti and it came of the line in August 1963. It was the first of the 9 R3's produced. 283 Avanti's were rolled out that month. Regarding the R3 Commander I'm not familiar with it's manufacture. 9/16/'63 is the date of the Sales Letter introducing the radio and steering option.
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Of the options introduced in 1963 production, 4 stand out (IMHO) as the beginning of things to come for the rest of the auto industry. In my opinion they were the big block 304 R3 engine (first muscle car IMHO), the Tilt Steering wheel, AM/FM Radio and Transistorized Ignition. What month was the first R3 to come off the car production line and when was the Tilt wheel and AM/FM radio options announced for production orders?
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It is said Sherwood wanted more headroom in the Avanti. Is it correct to say it was achieved buy changing the pitch of the windshield thus raising the roof? I would guess the frame was originally that of previous production year Hawks. Is the angle of the windshield the same or different between the Avanti and Hawk?
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369 was the count. Many improvements were made after Oct. The only noted changes prior to Oct. were improved rear window fastening and revised rear shocks. In Oct Baffled mufflers were available. I would say false to the serial number plate.
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The carb. pressure box.
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Studebaker provided advertising banners to dealers at the time showing the records. The only thing missing from the date included on it is the year it took place. Repro's have been available available through SI.
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The right side was longer and mirror image I think.
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There were many updates made when the August '63 production started. The hood support and new smaller battery were two of them. Access to the battery was made simpler by putting the hood support on the right side.
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Studebaker announced that "all new and unused Avanti models, when first sold at retail and licensed or titled after the October 1 (later changed to September 1), '63 date, will carry the registration year designation of 1964". In the extreme, this meant that the first Avanti built, if unsold, could have been registered as a 1964 model. All Avanti's produced after March '63 beginning with serial number R-3601 no longer had their serial number begin with the number 63. This information was published in one of the Turning Wheels magazines. Sherwood Egbert wanted to incorporate running changes whenever possible and instructed his sales staff to discontinue model year identification. Two Sales Letters from L.E.Minkel dated Feb. 14, 1963 and August 21,1963 confirm this decision. My conclusion to you post is False.
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Great job Gunslinger. I was flying in C-119 Box Cars in the Air Force shortly after the introduction of the Avanti and graduation from high school in June of '62. My first Car was '53 6 cylidar two door with 3 speed over drive. My first Avanti was had in '65 an R2 auto. transition car. Living on the West Coast in Oregon doesn't allow me much partisipation in the majority of AOAI activities. I do make it to some of the coast car shows now with my 63R3453 R1 Avanti # 3 over the years. Was there any representitive from the Avanti Magazine or Turning Weels at the Airport activities. I hope some extended coverage will appear soon. Thanks again for your dedication to our hobby. Great pictures. Gary
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False, Geo. W Borg Corp. Delavan Wisc. USA
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False, it was controlled by a knob under the dash below and to the left of the radio.
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Thanks for the added info. In doing a little more research I found a Studebaker sales letter dated 6-10-63 stating the Avanti R3 ultra-high performance engine would be available on or about August 1, 1963 at a delivered price of $1031.00 over the standard R1. The last comment in the letter states includes "This engine... is a replica of the equipment that produced speeds in excess of 168 mph at Bonneville and is covered in Sales Letter 103, dated Sept. 27, 1962, is not regarded as ideally suited for city driving under heavy traffic conditions. We offer no gwarrenty on this engine because of the highly specialized conditions of its use." I was unable to find the 103 Sales letter. It may be an interesting read regarding performance as well. Also I ment to say August of '62 not April in my first post. April was when the Avanti was first introduced at the NY auto show.
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Can you share more info on the late 1963 speed records. I am only familiar with the 29 speed records set in April of 1962 by the R3 Avanti. I have always been curiuos as to why the R3 never entered production in 1962 and only 9 then in late 1963. Records show the '62 R3 did 170.78 and the Due Centro R5 made it to a top speed of 196.62. Just a thought, the Avanti has never been recognized as a muscle car. WHY?
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I view this forum regularly for Avanti info and chat. I haven't seen this much interaction in a long time. It is fun to participate in the trivia and to see it having an impact on Avanti information being shared. The interest in Avanti's and Studebakers seem to be less and less as our cars and we older members fade into the sunset. I'm 70 and my 63R3453 is was 51 last February. I'm still original and 95% of my Avanti is too. Lets enjoy our hobby and keep this forum alive. Thanks mfg for Trivia.
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How is the difference in compression of the R1 @ 10.25:1) and R2 @ 9:1 accomplished? Heads, gasket, Stroke, piston?
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As standard the three speed T-86 was only available on the R1. The four speed T10 or Powershift was the only transmission used for the R2.
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Not sure, The last two R3 cars were R-5642 & R-5643 were white with Powershift Trans. I think the last Avanti R-4647 and this # is questioned by some was white.
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According to the Studebaker National Museum Archives 115 '63's and 32 '64 were black. The most popular '63 was Gold (1220) and Red (224) for the '64.
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'63,s offered 5 options; Fawn & Black, Black, Red & Black, Orange & Black and Turquioise & Black. The '64s had only one color carpet, Black. Transition cars may have any of the above.
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