Nelson
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I think all of them did with maybe the exception of the two six cylinder cars. I doubt if those had them as they weren’t an R3 or R4 package. I’m not sure about the R5 Avanti. I imagine it had the heavy duty control arms but wouldn’t bet on the dropped spindles.
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I know the vendors are having trouble with the new pumps. The arms on many need to be bent to conform to the original. I wouldn’t doubt that is your problem. However, is the eccentric tight on the end of the cam? Sounds like it’s a fresh overhaul?
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Your lid is not correct. It shouldn’t be difficult to find an orig8nal.
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It appears you could fit two type 51 batteries in the space allotted for the 3EE and put them in parallel. Of course you would gain a few pounds over the 3EE.
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Thanks. The type 51 takes 14 pounds off the crack prone battery box. That is a big plus. I will look into both. Another plus for me with the 51 is it will fit into a Lark or Hawk I would think. I bought a 63 Avanti in Phoenix area. I’m headed out there late next week and would like to get the car running and driving. I’ll check the 3ee also. Maybe I can buy one dry and leave it on the shelf for a later restored car. I know you can buy a type 24 for a Lark at Wallmart for about $60. I wonder if they sell the type 51 or even the 3ee?
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I forget the number for the original batteries but remember they where used in fork lifts. However, I’ve noticed some smaller more conventional batteries being used. I think they were used in a Honda but not for certain. Anyone know which small one I’m considering might be? Also, any information on availability of the original style. This car isn’t a show car so paying a premium to get the long original battery isn’t in the cards.
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Actually the thought behind that swap was a potential faster 0-60 foot time. A stick shift car is difficult to launch and maintain traction. An automatic is less instantaneous on power delivery. The Wrapper will typically run a 2.2 second 60 ft time, sometimes less sometimes more. Some of the cars at the psmcd are turning 60 ft times of 1.8 seconds. A .2 sec improvement in 60 ft time renderes about .4 seconds in the quarter mile et. The Wrapper would be in the low twelves if it would be consistent at say a 1.8 second 60 ft time. The automatic would consume some power and would probably cost several mpg at the finish line but the et could have improved.
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I don’t know where I read it, maybe “They Call Me Mr 500” but I remember hearing the tach read over 200 mph but the car was only going 196 mph. In other words the rear tires were spinning faster than the car was moving. More power or gearing would not have helped. Drier salt would have been in order.
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1 hour ago, mfg said:
It's interesting the #2 car was converted from four speed to Powershift Nelson.....If the conversion was done by the Granatellis, they must have been confident that a automatic equipped Daytona would be quicker down the strip than a four speed......
In my opinion, it would really depend on the quick shifting ability of the driver of the four speed car.
I imagine it was the class it could best compete, not so much the speed or et.
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2 hours ago, mfg said:
Nelson...did all the factory Studebakers which were run at Bonneville in '63 have standard transmissions?
Ed. They all had standard transmissions at Bonneville but the number 2 convertible was converted to a power shift to compete at the drags. It did run at the winter nationals at Pomona in January of 64. I have a few photos of it at that event. Under the hood for instance you can see two dipsticks. I own that car also and it still had the power shift. A friend of Andy Granatelli bought the car for his son on the son’s sixteenth birthday. He lived and still lives in the Chicago area and after talking with him he sent me a photo of the car when he had it. He traded it in a Corvair believe it or not.
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I have seen a partial list of engine/car numbers. It s a good start but also noticed the numbers don’t always match the car at least on the very few I’ve seen and feel confident in the ca’s history. I would definitely think the Bonneville numbers for engines would be within the first thirty or so built. This car has engine B12 in it. It also has the oil sender bung welded into the oil pan which is a good indicator but not beyond adding later. There are other ways to tell but I keep them to myself.
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Paula Murphy, the fastest woman in the world in 1963 behind the wheel of an R3 Avanti, died Thursday at the Age of 95. RIP.
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On 12/21/2023 at 7:19 AM, mfg said:
Agree on the o/d automatic..I've been using an '83 Avanti for everyday back & forth to work for 29 years, and probably would have parked it long ago if it wasn't equipped with a 700R4!
( Just turned 600,000 miles..New Goodwrench 305 in 2010...700R4 and rear axle untouched excepting for fluid changes!)
Wow. That’s impressive. You are a die hard.🙂🙂
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10 hours ago, Dwight FitzSimons said:
Yes, B69 was rebuilt 25+ years ago at WCD Garage in Mass. We have an excellent engine builder near here and I want to catch him before he retires. So, this winter my project will be to pull the short block and take it to him to deal with the rod bearings. Fortunately, I have helper to help me with removal/installation of the short block.
As an aside, my preferences re transmissions have changed (with age) and I am tempted to replace the T-10 with a THM200-4R. That would allow me to put in a 3:92 diff, have good acceleration, and still have reasonable RPMs at highway speeds. Expensive, though.
--Dwight
Sounds like a good plan to me. It is all personal preference as to stick or automatic but the overdrive just changes the entire driving experience to the positive. As for expensive: I figure the older you get the richer you are as you have less time to spend it. Just do the OD automatic and enjoy it. That 3.92 axle would be just about perfect.
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Ed. Too bad tires can’t talk as I think this tire could have a lot to say. If you look at the tracking surface it is worn to the thread then there is some rubber then worn to the thread again etc. I think since it isn’t an even wear all the way around that what we see was caused during one of the out of control slides, some were a mile or more long, that happened on the wet salt. Instead of rolling wear you see the tire quit rotating and the rubber was quite literally being scuffed away as the car was moving 90 degrees to the direction of the tire. I think stuff like this is just too interesting.
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Talk about sealing head gaskets. Have you ever tried pulling the heads off a virgin R3. You would almost think those heads were welded on the block! R3 head gaskets have always been hard to find even in the mid seventies. I was told by Miles Walker to just grease the head gaskets instead of a sealant so you can actually reuse them. I’ve done this several times and haven’t had any problems. Evidently Joe Granatelli told Miles to start doing that as the gaskets were getting in short supply.
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Dwight. Ted Harbit had a source for replacements so I assume that information was passed onto Phil when he picked up the business. Have the heads ever been off your R3?
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Brad. It looks like these heads had the original type head gaskets judging from the print left on the head face. Are these available?
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That could be or the other possibility is I’m wrong.
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Craig.didn't Brooks Stevens deign one or more of AMC’s larger cars? I remember the passenger door on the two door car was longer than the driver’s side for ease of entry into the rear. Novel idea and practical. Maybe this was the Pacer but I seem to remember that on a larger AMC model.
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I remember the energy crisis was the ultimate nail in the coffin. The Wankel is inherently inefficient from what I remember. What I meant is AMC and Studebaker both got blindsided by GM. No real fault to GM just how the chips fell. It is/was a competitive industry.
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Wasn’t the Pacer another Brooks Stevens design? It was an interesting car. We called them fish bowls back in the day. I do think stuffing that 250 inch(?) in-line six in it didn’t help matters at all. I guess the scenarios are similar to the Avanti though. GM introduced the 63 Corvette which screwed up the production of the Avanti potentially killing the car and GM pulled the Wankle engine intended for the Pacer at the last second which forced a crude redesign of of the Pacer to fit that long, heavy six cylinder.
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I think it is but it very well was the same Avanti, R5642. I know it saw two auctions just not sure of others?
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Cement in the exhaust system, that’s interesting.I guess a lower c/g would make the car more stable at high speed? More weight is good for high speed sustained runs.
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Yes, It was a mean looking machine. Dick Bennett called last night and I had a chance to ask about the front suspension on his car. It does not have the dropped spindles but does have the heavy duty control arms.