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  6. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    Posted · Edited by Nelson

    10 minutes ago, Gunslinger said:

    R4130 was a prototype mule for the '64 upgrades and some of them were different than the final versions used in production.  It was eventually sold to Sherwood Egbert with some more modifications of the personal kind for him.  But the car wasn't built for Egbert in the street sense.  

    I think it was built for him. I have some photos of the car at Paxton with less than 1000 miles on it. The car at that time was wearing Egbert’s personalized license plate, Halibrands, R3, 8 k tach, exhaust gas analyzer, chrome all over the engine compartment etc. I guess those photos could have been after the plant closed but the odometer was well under 1000 miles which makes me think it was prior to closing.

  7. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    Posted · Edited by Nelson

    15 minutes ago, mfg said:

    Good old Bob always feels the need to get the last word in......

    GO GET 'EM BOBBY!!! 😆

     

    I can sure tell you two are old buds from way back. 😂

  8. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    I think the 99 John Hull was referring to was on the punch card. I think it meant that it went to a Studebaker subsidiary like CTL or Paxton. I don’t think the J was necessarily for Joe Granatelli as that J appears on about all the punch cards I’ve seen?

  9. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    3 hours ago, regnalbob said:

    Studebaker used item code 99 on the production order to list any changes.

    Item code 19 is for Automatic Floor Shift.

    A few examples of the use of 99.

    63R-1001     Install antenna.

    63R-1025    Install antenna.

    63R-1014     Install antenna, send to engineering, tag Granatelli.

        R-5373    Tag Granatelli.

        R-4513    Deviation Permit  5550  Captive Air tires.

        R-4130

    R4130.jpg.fd60528ac01e9bcb915009784bdf068a.jpg

     

     

     

    Was 4130 Egbert’s car?

  10. Stu-v R3

    in 1963-64 Avanti

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    That is an awfully high B number. Maybe built after the initial and secondary builds. Or it could be built to R3 specs by the builder. If you pull a cylinder head you will know for sure. The bore entrance of an R3 will be chamfered for large valves which can be done on a standard block, but a more positive ID is the water jacket hole between cylinders is smaller diameter on original R3 blocks. That check is for the purist. Nothing else is magic about the block.

  11. Stu-v R3

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    40 minutes ago, psdenno said:

    Seeing that STU-V catalog brings back some memories.  Back in the 1970s, I bought a pair of stock steel wheels from STU-V to replace the mags that came on the front of my Avanti when I bought it.  

    The Studebaker wheels came with tires mounted and a condition of the sale was I had to give the tires back after I had my new tires mounted.  That was because the wheels and tires had come from an Avanti that the Granatellis had run on the salt flats.

    I remember dropping into Stu V around 1971 or 72. On each side of the garage door was a stack of Allstate Bonneville tires. I have six or seven of those in my garage now. They weigh very little but they are hard as a rock after sixty years.

  12. Stu-v R3

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    Well I hope you get it going soon. I guess it’s going into the Avanti? Are you located n Southern California?

    Now that you mention machining the head for the valve spring, I remember that being done also. The fellow that I got the heads from was actually an employee of Studebaker in South Bend.

  13. Tagless Avanti?

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    I don’t  know for certain. It looks like he went to a lot of work running hoses and wiring under the fender apron etc. Look at the battery cable and ac hoses. I would guess that body tag didn’t look too good screwed to the fender apron so away it went. Also notice the battery box and extra cowl grill. Looks like the hood prop has been moved during restoration.

  14. Stu-v R3

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    I have an  R2 which was modified with Chevy valves back in the 60’s. I probably won’t be able to help much as it’s been so long since I even looked at it. I remember the builder told me it had Chevy valves that needed to be modified for the Stude retainers and possibly shortened do to rocker stand height. I think the valve seals used were the Chevy o rings only. I remember the valves being close to two inch diameter. They did fit down a standard bore with the heads on. I wonder if you might be better off going with R3 valves which are readily available these days.

    I like the vintage photos. Do you know the guy’s name in the photo? Was it Eastburn? Is there a B or A number stamped on the block around the distributor mounting surface or on the machined surface at the front of the block? Any interesting history with the engine?

     

     

  17. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    Thanks, John. I kind of figured there was too much taken for granted by readers. We may never know for sure but if I remember right there are more than a few copies of each production order so it should show Up someday?

    How were you able to translate the code at the top of the punch card?

  20. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    Bob, nice photos of Paxton. That place looks to be in good shape. Is it being used for anything today? I need to put checking out that building on my bucket list. Glad you posted them.

  21. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    Posted · Edited by Nelson

    Bob, I was thinking about you when this subject came up. I thought you may have been around Paxton at the time and might remember Joe Granatelli’s Avanti and could shed some light on the subject. I talked to Richard Bennet last night. He was out there at about the same time picking up the Due Cento. He wasn’t too interested in the Cadillac transplant at the time but he seemed to remember a Stude engine being removed and the Cadillac installed. However, that’s not exactly history in concrete. So, I guess there’s three doubters here plus Richard B. Haha🤔😊

  22. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    On 2/27/2023 at 9:53 AM, mfg said:

    In the latest issue of AVANTI MAGAZINE there's a great article on Joe Granatelli's Cadillac/ Avanti....

    Very nicely done install, however, I was amazed they would use a two foot long copper pipe to direct coolant from the lower radiator outlet and back up into the engine..

    I wonder why they didn't have a local radiator shop simply move the lower outlet on the radiator over to the driver's side?

    I looked at that pipe and wondered the same thing. There are probably a few logical reasons once blended together might have given him the green light. They would be time allotted time for the radiator modification along with expense which was now on Joe not Studebaker, the fairly large copper pipe gave a good boost in water capacity and also additional cooling capacity. Just a thought.

  23. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    I definitely respect John’s research but I still don’t see how he can say “we know 4795 was delivered with no engine or transmission”. Unless I’m missing something or something was unintentionally left out of the article, I wouldn’t go on record with that statement. Again, I respect John so maybe I’m missing something.

  25. Cadillac/Avanti!

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    But, if Joe actually purchased out of SB stock he would have paid plenty for the car. If he bought it out of Paxton’s inventory it could very well have been another $500 Avanti.

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