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  1. 9 minutes ago, pantera928 said:

    Okay so the only VIN on a 1980 or earlier is the RQ number?

    Yes and no.  1963s started with 63R and then went to R, followed by four digits plus an A or B for some California cars.  1965 to some 1970s started with RQA and some 1970s to some 1985s started with RQB (followed by four numbers).  I won't go into the even later years.    

  2. 14 minutes ago, Skip Lackie said:

    Our current concern with ID-ing the exact model year started when the first emissions and safety regs were issued in the mid-60s.  Although we usually think of them starting in a certain model year, the federal regs actually become effective on January 1 each year.  The car manufacturers don't want to change equipment every 1 January, so they adopt the standards early during model-year change-over.  I have a 74 Avanti that was built late in the year, and several more were built after that right into December -- all under the older 1974 emissions standards.

    I agree.  I show 1974s as going to RQB 2175 (Skip's is RQB 2127).

  3. 3 hours ago, Thom said:

    Thanks studegary, I recently acquired my 1987 Avanti LSC along with the original Customer Order from The New Avanti Motor Corp., South Bend and an order number 84, and a door tag from the South Bend Plant. I was very curious because I grew up in South Bend and my father worked for Studebaker from 1937 until the plant closing in 1963, and the fact that The New Avanti Motor Corp. was located in a section of the original Studebaker Plant.

    I purchased 1987 Avanti S/N ---006 new.  I am surprised that ---084 is still a South Bend car.  They may not have all been built in order then, but if they were, that would indicate that more 1987s were South Bend cars than Youngstown cars. 

  4. 1 minute ago, Thom said:

    Just curious. Can anyone tell me how many Avantis were produced in 1987. How many were manufactured in South Bend and how many in Ohio?

    I believe that there were 166 of all body styles (coupe, convertible, LSC).  I would guess that the majority were Youngstown.   

  5. 47 minutes ago, Leo B said:

    About the value and Hagerty. Prices which Hagerty shows does not mean its real today. Some cars like Volvo P1800 the price has risen significantly in a few months.  To day its very valuable. Referring to Hagerty's estimate, the Avanti price has risen significantly in more than 10% in this year and Im sure will rise all the time.

    It is odd that you mention/reference the 1800.  I have a friend that has a 1972 1800 that she purchased new.

  6. Primarily check for rust on the torque boxes and frame.   Unless I have purchased the car new, I do not go by what the odometer says.  I believe that non-stock color/paint hurts the value by 10%-20%.  

  7. 2 hours ago, Gunslinger said:

    Avanti Motors played some games when titling cars.  Some were titled to whatever year they were sold until the feds came out with rules against such things.  I don't know whether Avanti Motors followed model years like the big automakers did...September to September or by calendar year...maybe it was whichever was most convenient to make the sale.  Even automakers today have pretty fluid model year designations.  

    I believe that the early Avanti IIs used the calendar year for the model year.  Now, automakers can use anything after Jan. 1 of the previous calendar year for a model year.

  8. 1 hour ago, Dwight FitzSimons said:

    That frame would not be considered repairable by any sane person.  My '64 had a frame that looked much better, with rust all over, but no holes.  My restoration shop (WCD Garage) pulled the body off the frame then showed me how one could twist the frame (The metal was so thin due to corrosion).  My car got a new frame (and hog troughs).

    RQA-0043 is listed on Bob Johnstone's website as a 1966 model.  There is a local Avanti II that is titled as a "1967 Studebaker Avanti".  By serial number it is the first 1968 Avanti II built, and has the side marker lights ('68 was first year for them).  I would guess that it was titled in the Fall of 1967.  These things happen.


    I just looked in John Hull's book and, like me, he considers it to be a 1965.  Of course, built in late 1965, some consider it to be a 1966 and it may not have been titled until 1967.

  9. 6 hours ago, pantera928 said:


    The car has sat in a garage for 4 years since the owner passed suddenly and unexpectedly.

    His wife is now trying to sell this and several other older cars(no Stude/Avants).

    It was painted many years before he passed and he drove it regularly to shows.

    IMO, that is a 1965 model Avanti II.

  10. You do not say what year, but it is posted in the '65 - '83 section.  I would advise you to run, not walk, away from this Avanti II.  I see the repairs as costing more to have someone fix than the car will be worth.

  11. 13 minutes ago, pantera928 said:

    Thanks Dwight.

    Just curious as to why you parted out two of them. Was it due to rust? Still trying to learn more about what to look for regarding rust. Not sure what a hog trough is actually.


    A "hog trough" is a term commonly used for the sheet metal torque boxes that run down each side of the car, next to the frame, to add rigidity.  They often rust out, especially in the rust belt part of the country.  It costs several thousand dollars to have them properly replaced. If there is severe rust in the torque boxes, there is often rust in other places, like the a-pillars.

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